From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jul 21 05:43:29 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KKujh-000838-Pr for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:43:29 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.157]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KKujd-00082w-Ir for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:43:29 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so677695fga.0 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:43:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=zkfN3HH439WVftEgnPAIwZ2FUCShP6gopyQY5b+7KqE=; b=KBNHoekGAGOYB1Ylly0cG9Gk/U8RYI2KZ2TuZp1ED8LRm4iq6A6TAz3+A3pNvrvsMF sU3m4BZUbKWhKkKkTJ4uBgiSLXWTWdAU1RcIygtNOe2sEX0x8tfw5NBaaY0hxlSWjnFA pnnNuyABqoPZCO2oU00QgtJ9HYLepVN7y38M8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=WeHBCrqm+sQvgvajOaw1Lu2lsEOcqWq/EzZwMRhpdy4UuM9CicGY+gq3G8jG7vr1v3 uBdT72ZMgrubUrZD4th7Y5FpOzTAmCx4KnMU8TAWQB6viUlQCDUJOWFz7vNw3HP5i+O9 nMTEBEAaTnmrfks97fex8yZane1CXwWFK6pyQ= Received: by 10.86.52.1 with SMTP id z1mr2223066fgz.31.1216644199099; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.28.10 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560807210543g182af143pd743fd1dd3c08d5a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:43:19 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: welcome and question about brivla recognizing In-Reply-To: <48846E55.9050600@poczta.onet.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4882EF4F.9020509@poczta.onet.pl> <925d17560807201031l25d62a75wcb2c44cc0910863b@mail.gmail.com> <48846E55.9050600@poczta.onet.pl> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 691 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 7/21/08, Mateusz Grotek wrote: > Oh, sorry, I've reread you post, and i suppose i misunderstood you. Could > you explain me why exactly do you need to know all rafsi forms in (3) and > (4). For (3): to know that "tosmabru" breaks as "to smabru", you need to recognize that "smabru" consists of two rafsi sma-bru. In contrast, "tosmaksi" is a brivla and doesn't break, because "smaksi" is not a lujvo. It cannot be sma-ksi, as "ks" is not a valid initial, so "ksi" is not a possible rafsi. Also "tosmanku'i" is a valid brivla form, because "smanku'i" is not a lujvo. Similarly for (4): "slinku'i" is not valid because "linku'i" is a string of rafsi: lin-ku'i. But "slinkupi" is fine, because "linkupi" is not a rafsi string. mu'o mi'e xorxes