From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jul 21 17:24:14 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KL5fq-0002l5-Qv for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:24:14 -0700 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.182]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KL5fn-0002kt-Lp for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:24:14 -0700 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k22so845000waf.20 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:24:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=pNG4t/UwGjnYlfw95+pymUA5KlfCm8S3mP4KBkIfVnE=; b=heCTzt+gJCUUXM0AaXQuT2+UeUa88tn+rFuqndOOfzWj6i/GsS0OXpFU8Iw/I8bAoz i8dAQEMJpMBL+vQwgzwqzwxkM9CLyyhSej4eErjVQOSeJLfydqJvRa7ItJb+nY33uqDV iDzzzcL2w3waFb6uuI6AowTSLxuxHmei2Anb0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=gTICIfOQQN+Sm3a9Uz2RC0YxjFbzz5KLTD0FgTm6e3JrBectjlkEIfdmoU61Nh/y+b l5opD1UX5Q6sYmUN9eeh3sSbVnAqACbMpqgKNRF2tUCeVn/wnElcHmBfWWiFtAN3eYO8 2iHuT/0l57RsBjkL92xgPR+tLiEZH612jmeZs= Received: by 10.115.32.8 with SMTP id k8mr3216098waj.89.1216686249663; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.16.9 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0807211724t3efb91a5te619b92e8297904c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:24:09 +0200 From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: ke'a In-Reply-To: <12d58c160807211720o16c7ab0dn7f6a066b0c9486d2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0807211642n258bb4d2t9a98c9589c037c60@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160807211705p6cdd29bcocc5d537a3e91cc3f@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160807211720o16c7ab0dn7f6a066b0c9486d2@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 699 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:20 AM, komfo,amonan wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:42 PM, tijlan wrote: >> >> Can {ke'a} safely refer to a sumti which is at a different structure >> level? Example: >> >> le cmene be le prenu poi do stidi le nu mi penmi ke'a >> (the name of the man whom you are suggesting I meet) >> >> ke'a = le prenu ? > > Yes. From CLL 8:1: >> >> Of course, there is no reason why ``ke'a'' needs to appear in the x1 place >> of a relative clause bridi; it can appear in any place, or indeed even in a >> sub-bridi within the relative clause bridi. Here are two more examples: > > 1.5) tu poi le mlatu pu lacpu ke'a ku'o cu ratcu > That-distant-thing such-that( the cat [past] drags IT ) is-a-rat. > That thing which the cat dragged is a rat. > What the cat dragged is a rat. > > 1.6) ta poi mi djica le nu mi ponse ke'a [kei] ku'o > cu bloti > That-thing such-that( I desire the event-of( I own IT ) ) is-a-boat. > > mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan > ki'e fe'o mi'e tijlan