From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jul 23 09:37:02 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KLhKo-0000cn-Ex for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:37:02 -0700 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.240]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KLhKk-0000cL-F3 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:37:02 -0700 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so1987503rvf.46 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:36:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=jqEJQpQIn27qxDEuR1aq5CYqyr5pbCWlAj9HRnpnrY8=; b=ighN/GvOgMRDZ8tqYyjN958kugKafdFbApIxwGDKjWKinIMAJxkmSIVOmUOfas6M4G WwtBvMYZh6ILEFQA8WFRWpxQfmtg2WLe4stgMz9hL8IQefsdM7onEZEqDlwpaT2DHhiu Ua+6Zj4Si+SvAG+h0ZK5qWvsoCGGodQ8O+HVQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=cJcAx/Hbk3tSlLW2SNB0MdhT3XLOlHvutGdkpf0NUwyT7bBxMbos8qQ1IBz+MGhEuy QqYksKTIyyE3U0j/xVH8KCTag7cqt2PM0Ogz4AZ+FqGejBZ7nT4KUAcob6Rme/umbKxQ EHLNI3dewfJzrS458snZAR2srOHjwgfqBL2aE= Received: by 10.141.210.21 with SMTP id m21mr173861rvq.23.1216831016060; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.179.16 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <96f789a60807230936p47d508adk47f33fb1065cd0f1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:36:56 -0400 From: "Michael Turniansky" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: ke'a In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0807221520j1ec2b1avd483c03b808ab02a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0807211642n258bb4d2t9a98c9589c037c60@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560807220522q6283b3d9ja3c2719107c3a8b0@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60807220548r3f94b667w5ec9a5a2af89c762@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560807220629m32d0ae9eld1ac1acbc2d3af94@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60807220812o6e1e7e00jf26a0c79d24c85@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560807220924k4a67e3aejd2bd64867a4b16ba@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60807220944g64b25921hb301ef3936e7e052@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560807221100y6de75a3ep38d488b7c6aa4d1a@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60807221307k6063b0ecp29233454f1d6da0@mail.gmail.com> <2f91285f0807221520j1ec2b1avd483c03b808ab02a@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 717 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners (and yes, I wondered if this discussion belonged in lojban-beginners, myself) 2008/7/22 tijlan : > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> le xunre tamca po'o -> the red tomato (only) (i.e. out of the red >> things, the only tomato) > > Wouldn't {le tamca po'o xunre} be a more likely equivalent to that english? > They _can_ both mean the same thing, but the former is talking about red tomatoes, and the latter is talking about tomatoish red things (possibly, for example, comparing different sauces, or colors of paint). If I asked you to "pe'u do'u ko punji lo xunre tamca lo salta" (please put a red tomato in the salad) and you responded "lo xunre mo" (a red what?), I might, of course, respond simply "tamca". I might respond "le xunre ba'e tamca" (the red /tomato/), or I might respond "le xunre tamca po'o" meaning, "the only red thing in front of you that's a tomato, not the red peppers, nor the red apples". > >> lo nanmu poi ke'a vecnu lo karce poi po'o mi viska ke'a -> >> lo nanmu poi ke'a vecnu lo karce poi (mi viska ke'a) po'o -> > > Is the latter the same as {lo nanmu poi ke'a vecnu lo karce poi fu'e > po'o mi viska ke'a [fu'o]}? > Yes. I was just presenting it graphically. --gejyspa