From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jul 23 10:27:19 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KLi7S-0004Aj-HB for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:27:19 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KLi7P-0004AY-QN for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:27:18 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so1240192fga.0 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:27:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=OnONyLoAw119a5unzXUyhAdTr4GlzBNyLJ5qk0ijbZI=; b=Dtmc/cst95TJdlah70Ys68NIiJbD+X+HBVuuAKdubF67ZHd80nI7BQUAMsDMviZ0Wb k2/3eGOP224RZxi86dsVS3CoweLeaWb0RK2IZv2za+aPnHVebaFV42uXXvdJQX6qHBAt cDp/linOW1j7q40uGa35rXlc3BcR5yOxZfM4s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=UaVHlWieWYfTcjQSdmWl2EgOZ+U47UKub0huGBVrLj+Xi78oYzgXr72GbB3EDMSakw VgQ+6UKxFBlSn6OuoGUJ3I9nWjJ9yv2teFT6cNYkWwsG2yue7hEr/h3KG6ewTnPEholY bztNDBgGCppROgfrqhv+Yr7jGwCTaueOnk0PI= Received: by 10.86.23.17 with SMTP id 17mr303551fgw.44.1216834034283; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.28.10 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560807231027nc1eff47xdce48aebd3f90fd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:27:14 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: ke'a In-Reply-To: <96f789a60807231002u236b1aacj6b0ee1181859d5ed@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0807211642n258bb4d2t9a98c9589c037c60@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60807220548r3f94b667w5ec9a5a2af89c762@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560807220629m32d0ae9eld1ac1acbc2d3af94@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60807220812o6e1e7e00jf26a0c79d24c85@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560807220924k4a67e3aejd2bd64867a4b16ba@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60807220944g64b25921hb301ef3936e7e052@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560807221100y6de75a3ep38d488b7c6aa4d1a@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60807221307k6063b0ecp29233454f1d6da0@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560807221705u4d299d9em56806f6d6aba7961@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60807231002u236b1aacj6b0ee1181859d5ed@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 720 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 7/23/08, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > Are you saying that "mi po'o .e do broda" doesn't make sense to you? I'm saying it's contradictory, yes. > It has meaning to me. It means that you broda, and no one else but > me also brodas. Consider something like the English, "Besides Johnny, > no one else in the class but me knows all state capitals." So for you it means the same as {fu'e mi .e do fu'o po'o broda}. For me it means {mi po'o broda .ije do broda}: "I am the only one that brodas, and you broda", which is contradictory. > > You are saying {ro da poi broda zi'e brode} = {ro da poi broda .e ro > > de poi brode} > > I most certainly am NOT saying that. "ro da poi broda zi'e brode" > is not grammatical. I meant to write {ro da poi broda zi'e poi brode}, sorry. But consider this: {ro nanmu ja ninmu poi klama le nolraitru [...] zi'e poi na'e se klacpe} Does that include all men or women who went to the king, and also all men or women who were not summoned, or only all men or women that both went and were not summoned? mu'o mi'e xorxes