From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jul 31 10:05:05 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KObaL-0004uh-2W for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:05:05 -0700 Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.158]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KObaG-0004tS-IV for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:05:04 -0700 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so96263yxp.46 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:04:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=WuVDylx2XEHGnu8/6v0l7rBIh43Gtz6PWk44WWFCiCk=; b=LHp8lCg2HxjDICYoA5R4kdHiEZj7qUqwWtRj36M570Mf5IgmTmqbnyEGeZEozVBy+C sRYplnkaHqjjVhHwgS0TrIVLSWVlvnExG15cWEkw4q8PJhMs1YJjBK/06otz7WsEhbYb BI5+Gvj56UvKKF3eJQouiEN11y00rlKcATWdc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=fVXJcN1QtrSWeRjMXNhDhyTtynPoqR25N83NkAyEUV5qhsRG6BYlWf+5UsEANE801o Nqo8XT18UWS68emz8Y55oZfq9PsOLpYdT9NxKo1nr+3k3x9nkczLAxjoXZWUlTGWzDgs HCstJ9kfqEgnmmgoOt3NeIRg2CVdiAuy8CMGc= Received: by 10.150.52.2 with SMTP id z2mr1558717ybz.48.1217523899319; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.189.19 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:04:59 -0400 From: "Matt Arnold" To: Mark Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Hello, and owning things.. Cc: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <1601038384.20080731174443@antelope.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1601038384.20080731174443@antelope.nildram.co.uk> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 741 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Mark wrote: > Hi Matt, > > Thanks for your reply! > > I guess what confused me on this was the use of "lo mi karce cu va > zvati" for "my car is there", in Everyday Lojban Lesson 1. I can't > see why this is "lo" and not "le" - surely the thing that's over there > is a particular car of his that he's thinking of. That was before xorlo. xorlo is the proposal to change the meaning of le and lo. > Also, is there some kind of problem with jbovlaste? There is a much > simpler lojban dictionary at > http://members.fortunecity.com/jeroenkuiper/Linguistics/Lojban/Dictionary/aindex.html > which is what I've been having to use, because jbovlaste routinely > fails to find simple searches or returns bizarre ones. (Search for > "dog" and it'll tell you that place 1 of gerku means "dog in the sense > of delete" (!?); search for "success" and it'll find nothing at all, > even though snada is in the fortunecity dictionary; ask for a word > list and it slumbers). I know. Robin says search is hard. Sorry. -Eppcott