From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jul 31 10:39:18 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KOc7S-0006i1-MG for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:18 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.155]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KOc7O-0006hj-UO for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:18 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so329418fga.0 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=U9hKBYs2UEjnTU1NWJvaJKPZ7B7ZI+DF/NTg55BxNxY=; b=khJR09O+pXJQQ5fi4iJuaF45F/v8nJJEuxguJULsj/npMqSf/hpBp2RLanSvBgwVTH oa3vb9BGQW1lTdeoT+fQQEStyjFTAdLG9GJ9njRZ4cSyCWBC6T6Q/5WW1coTvObp0JSL 95SEYE4wdPyYYEKL50Re2b6LR2GbklcV3HRns= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=OgVvvShvka6u/ZfophpDntv439+h0eOS4aJd+u2bSijIFJJ2hcek71cYNxo9GHJF+f TYu2uTj4JEMj6f2ZReKFiITtoIqpSflQoCV9jSXQ21DUKVRK0LU/9tgwo4zO9iIDvUnq UPIj6UhVGw0eCk56x2oObQbU5jCn4dpQCtGzA= Received: by 10.86.26.1 with SMTP id 1mr6333031fgz.35.1217525953240; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.89.11 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560807311039j19998261pc4a1b0ace746ada8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:39:13 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Hello, and owning things.. Cc: "Matt Arnold" In-Reply-To: <1601038384.20080731174443@antelope.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1601038384.20080731174443@antelope.nildram.co.uk> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 743 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 7/31/08, Mark wrote: > > I guess what confused me on this was the use of "lo mi karce cu va > zvati" for "my car is there", in Everyday Lojban Lesson 1. I can't > see why this is "lo" and not "le" - surely the thing that's over there > is a particular car of his that he's thinking of. It could be "le" as well. "lo" is just more general, it covers both the generic and the particular cases, it just doesn't emphasize that it's about a partcular one. That use of "lo" there is perfectly fine. In fact, one could use "lo" always and forget about every other gadri (except "la"). > Also, is there some kind of problem with jbovlaste? Its searches are quite horrible, yes. >search for "success" and it'll find nothing at all, > even though snada is in the fortunecity dictionary; But you have to search for "succeed", of course! :) mu'o mi'e xorxes