From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Aug 01 06:47:23 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KOuyY-0005nE-Ew for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:47:22 -0700 Received: from web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.200.109]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KOuyT-0005mG-Rr for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:47:22 -0700 Received: (qmail 47488 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2008 13:47:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=NpaVnhRnDy8fS3giJ3vxkNLt5+iTfJorVYXsWVwcOLtxR98OPEd0sRsB826qHjKFm3liKXDhA4zJu4Pky6d5s9m8Xv+LXxC4qSNkuCCk7/0g+BLQb/AFoq5aiiDkYUtQUMd0xR6lDhHMEVyrKuIEfUBw+m/27mnGhq2cX2jKTuc=; Received: from [84.195.57.41] by web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:47:11 PDT Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:47:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gysel Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban - really for beginners To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <925d17560807310533q71a98a67v14d49c575f25f083@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1861724236-1217598431=:47381" Message-ID: <334458.47381.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 750 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: to_mu1975@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-1861724236-1217598431=:47381 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for your answers! I'm happily learning on... I don't agree though with : but for names of places everyone can use any stress they likeThat was the problem, in the course I didn't know what the word uacintyn meant, written or when i spoke it aloud. Language is meant to convey information, and if people don't give enough of it i don't know what they mean. I couldn't figure out what uacintyn meant. They should give me the right syllable to stress, so I'm able to think of washington. Thanks again, Tom. On the other hand, to be safe from what? Any stress (even even stress) is permitted in cmevla, so no stress indication is really needed. "uacintyn" is the same name in Lojban no matter how one chooses to stress it. In the case of personal names, if someone gets cranky when people don't stress their name the way they prefer, they can mark their preferred stress (and people may choose to comply, just to be polite), but for names of places everyone can use any stress they like, just as they can use any tone, which also makes no difference. There is no official way to mark tone, but perhaps when we have Lojbanists from languages that use tone some convention will develop to mark tone in Lojban cmevla, and the effect will be the same. --0-1861724236-1217598431=:47381 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Thanks for your answers!
I'm happily learning on...

I don't agree though with :
but for names of places
everyone can use any stress they like
That was the problem, in the course I didn't know what the word uacintyn meant, written or when i spoke it aloud. Language is meant to convey information, and if people don't give enough of it i don't know what they mean. I couldn't figure out what uacintyn meant. They should give me the right syllable to stress, so I'm able to think of washington.

Thanks again,
Tom.
On the other hand, to be safe from what? Any stress (even even
stress) is permitted in cmevla, so no stress indication is really
needed. "uacintyn" is the same name in Lojban no matter how one
chooses to stress
 it. In the case of personal names, if someone
gets cranky when people don't stress their name the way they
prefer, they can mark their preferred stress (and people may
choose to comply, just to be polite), but for names of places
everyone can use any stress they like, just as they can use any
tone, which also makes no difference. There is no official way to
mark tone, but perhaps when we have Lojbanists from languages
that use tone some convention will develop to mark tone in Lojban
cmevla, and the effect will be the same.


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