From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Aug 01 06:58:17 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KOv97-0001ni-JR for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:58:17 -0700 Received: from web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.200.106]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KOv93-0001mI-Qu for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:58:17 -0700 Received: (qmail 14763 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2008 13:58:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=WnCOUG0heXYYenFGOxj9HXo9I86xV5DqHpjIvNM3Ak3+R+hwbMlJQd/tTl+ZbSOwnxHuG8cuXxDwg9/2BLQs6zeGfYt67y/hLQ3TmlhPM4czCYkj6THHyXH9sqKSAuv5cafBBSaOY8RV+eQOUMLMPDoOv4fYbn7OUILwYB7yWAI=; Received: from [84.195.57.41] by web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:58:07 PDT Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:58:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gysel Subject: [lojban-beginners] Lo and le...(oh*sigh*) To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-600759354-1217599087=:14453" Message-ID: <758156.14453.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 751 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: to_mu1975@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-600759354-1217599087=:14453 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well I guess lotsa people find this difficult.... Lo and le...(oh*sigh*) I find the difference hard to grasp sofar. ci le gerku=A0=A0 =3D 3 of the dogs=A0=A0=A0 (or 3 of the dogs which I'm go= ing to call dogs) ci lo gerku=A0=A0 =3D 3 dogs=A0=A0=A0 (or 3 of the dogs which are really do= gs) How then would you translate: (let's assume i have a pack of 12 dogs and i = tell my girlfriend: ) 3 of the dogs were ill last night ci le gerku.... would be the litteral translation But I KNOW they REALLY are dogs! so.... ci lo gerku? Insights anyone? Danke sch=F6n, T. =0A=0A=0A --0-600759354-1217599087=:14453 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well I guess lotsa people find this difficult= ....

Lo and le...(oh*sigh*)
I find the difference hard to grasp s= ofar.


ci le gerku   =3D 3 of the dogs   = ; (or 3 of the dogs which I'm going to call dogs)
ci lo gerku  = ; =3D 3 dogs    (or 3 of the dogs which are really dogs)
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How then would you translate: (let's assume i have a pack of 12 dogs an= d i tell my girlfriend: )
3 of the dogs were ill last night

ci le= gerku.... would be the litteral translation
But I KNOW they REALLY are = dogs! so.... ci lo gerku?

Insights anyone?
Danke sch=F6n,
T.




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