From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Aug 04 12:15:05 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KQ5WL-0006sm-En for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:15:05 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.157]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KQ5WH-0006qp-K0 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:15:05 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so1116595fga.0 for ; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:15:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=OmLJ+lcwu5Hbd7vmNHAFYkUBayoc90y73ywx9yIolEA=; b=BHtlZkYOsKeuYcxMnkbYegJlprVpBV0IbJJWOATiQWGnkaG8IZgdYDw4X8aNpSrcrp Gxw5LHTYXjHZVxTf2sptTFK94YFGDzNJIGQnyFZssmbbZbDE1zTdDpU1nOLmYo6sANzi sGA1Zxa2Y0vYCkSjreCSqbo+NVthjy9d4Opk8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=UtQPTeuwQAFOwIW9+Yz8u/Q9De8UNbgF0TRc7Nn8fWzjvw0FWdq8xzzzVvwJ/kXxcH ZB+3BTLoGV1pJUF0GS30WHeDQWGRESLPFpeyaXfg7CKsewNiPPOJryn+h9YhJ0EcO6Ne QkmMPHduogtO7FlWRqQLtaXiWR+6rPBJsEvJQ= Received: by 10.86.98.10 with SMTP id v10mr10659017fgb.46.1217877300132; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.89.11 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560808041215y7e1f498cjcb72303621660acf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:15:00 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: trying poe poetry translation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <489718EF.5010308@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 781 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 8/4/08, Brett Williams wrote: > > First, "so'isai" is actually "so'i [ge'e] sai" == "many, which I feel > something strongly about". While I agree with all of your other comments, I disagree with this one. I think CLL does say something about a hidden "ge'e", but at least I ignore that, and use "sai" as a free intensifier, intensifying whatever word it follows, not any hidden "ge'e", similar to the way "nai" works. (And of course the same goes for the other CAIs.) For example I use "ji'asai" for "even", "nasai" for something like "absolutely not", "naru'e" for "almost", "ja'aru'e" for "barely", etc. So I have no problem with the use of "so'i sai" for "very many". "so'i so'i" is also quite fine. mu'o mi'e xorxes