From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Aug 20 15:31:41 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KVwDL-0003eu-6o for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:31:41 -0700 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.229]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KVwDH-0003eg-F9 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:31:38 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c37so603818wra.26 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:31:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=RolyZX8ecbsiTb+cU9rP0pzy1x4qYBaqxVirjVrFkc0=; b=q9WnFFH7G3dUuIQ7P4jeUA6YzvZnQbZBQwNz+9+GQQShmATN8egYQThmOBHPs7FNSV Pb7kpCOEQh8igMRMrk1B3jaqMpie6+9PB+OS6LEsK6gdduTpfWodTd4+P1wlw7opa33T WnlxRq1zRF4hnMNbZit4fu4qW0ABugUTPZQnc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=ORGPFSVkzB9lVMJSMAuG5sbdlXhaXGqG8OkYtKfB+X33kC9MV6TVHt2D2nwQI4+XEa jLJGtaR+roJ+7qt1UUHrd+x0VHEy5eHNUH7BhXFZzG7Zjp/FcyNbWvCzPizDggXCYkUZ enBv5wQXhTIglYwvgrfDt8xwHY7ZF4405G++c= Received: by 10.90.70.6 with SMTP id s6mr766243aga.25.1219271493224; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.28.2 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16d9defd0808201531jca6afa0vc764b9a37d21904b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:31:33 -0700 From: "chris kerr" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Some AIW Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_76847_13341106.1219271493207" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 826 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: letsclimbhigher@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_76847_13341106.1219271493207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm reading AIW as a method to learn correct lojban habits. So when I see things I don't understand, I want to know if I'm either right or wrong so I can learn correctly from it. Lojban text: xu mi mi mintu ca le nu mi cikna binxo ca le zi cerni .i pe'iru'e ba'anai mi cinmo le nu mi frica milxe .i ku'i va'o le nu mi mi na mintu cu jersi preti fa le du'u mi du makau The first thing I'm wondering about is {mi cinmo le nu} wherein cinmo is wanting (ka) for x2. The second thing is in {.i ku'i va'o le nu} wherein vanbi seems to be a word limited to referring to physical surroundings in the real world and thus wants (ind./mass) in x1. Such as a mass of pants, or an angry prenu, etc. But I've been seeing {va'o} used on #lojban when talking about things like grammer in bridi... so what kind of latitude is there in its use? Seems like there's a number of other more appropriate modals which could be used: kai ki'i ji'u ri'a lo da'i za'i li'o ki'u lo da'i za'i li'o ni'i ma'i I guess there's a lot, I'll stop there. I look forward to ro do thoughts. ------=_Part_76847_13341106.1219271493207 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I'm reading AIW as a method to learn correct lojban habits.  So when I see things I don't understand, I want to know if I'm either right or wrong so I can learn correctly from it.

Lojban text: xu mi mi mintu ca le nu mi cikna binxo ca le zi cerni .i pe'iru'e ba'anai mi cinmo le nu mi frica milxe .i ku'i va'o le nu mi mi na mintu cu jersi preti fa le du'u mi du makau

The first thing I'm wondering about is {mi cinmo le nu} wherein cinmo is wanting (ka) for x2.

The second thing is in {.i ku'i va'o le nu} wherein vanbi seems to be a word limited to referring to physical surroundings in the real world and thus wants (ind./mass) in x1. Such as a mass of pants, or an angry prenu, etc.  But I've been seeing {va'o} used on #lojban when talking about things like grammer in bridi... so what kind of latitude is there in its use?  Seems like there's a number of other more appropriate modals which could be used:

kai
ki'i
ji'u
ri'a lo da'i za'i li'o
ki'u lo da'i za'i li'o
ni'i
ma'i

I guess there's a lot, I'll stop there.


I look forward to ro do thoughts.
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