From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Aug 20 20:23:49 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KW0m3-0002Y2-UT for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:23:49 -0700 Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.154]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KW0m0-0002Xm-GY for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:23:47 -0700 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so326570yxp.46 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:23:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=FjRkytujb/xmFN+psCBlf5twYQ3Uq+4FLt4GLjE0puo=; b=G883V6WT4o8T1H788T8bTKwIUKMXN9wTxbfzzAGekjbcsgBNGfY92K8B9LXWv1zabT lYGSxPJ80giJisbXSpBmx/sopK2LajW+y1aAJGFzTKr7hnbI090syMglzhV2hn0ntpV4 fy/UeujpKVKV0wyCvOVzvPssutq9VKbgUz7nM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ffAW0Il5p6CuXrsOXuyPzYPXKWfWh+eK754IqX6Ihlu/C40d91NMwcK6QAyq4EL1D3 puw7ufBUopwbDEs4vMwpFhRWFKI5H2s8NMGmYxmrduDDJngYuDnZnNa2uwAriVePMKBZ 3a1qD7DkX4PKosYA/7/0laKRGoax9WtbS1X+4= Received: by 10.151.42.10 with SMTP id u10mr1296055ybj.49.1219289022503; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.199.20 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f30808202023h603f0125m95acbae5b35c3e90@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:23:42 -0500 From: "Chris Capel" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Ingersoll's creed - laboriously In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 828 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 19:43, David Cortesi wrote: > .i fe tcika fa > .i fe stuzi fa > .i fe tadji fa > > (The fa's aren't required I know; but they would add to the rhythm) Um, what is the fe attaching to? According to Lojgloss these get parsed as <(za'i fe) stuzi>, where the brackets mean "selbri" and the paren is a "tanru-unit-2". I'm not sure what the "fe" is doing in that structure. > Next problem: "now" as a sumti. {.i za'i jmive gleki fe tcika fa > caca'o} can't be right... How about "caku"? > And "here" ditto: {.i za'i jmive gleki fe stuzi fa ti} likewise "ti" means "this", so I think something else is needed. Maybe "bu'uku"? > "Help make" would be {lo zu'o sidzu gasnu...} but I'm sure I've made > enough errors without trying to translate "others so". But "help make" as the selbri would break the parallelism. I think you might want some variant of "pluta" as your selbri. "others so" would need to be a lonu of some sort. So, perhaps, fe lo za'i jmive gleki cu pluta fa lo nu gasnu lo nu lo drata cu simsa Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet)