From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Aug 21 06:05:20 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KW9qo-0007JP-9M for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:05:20 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KW9qj-0007Id-MI for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:05:17 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so572732fga.0 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:05:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ZuX7TdRHbc8duNzy2gzuTCBCATk5Z56KzGvlT3uAu14=; b=SnHZhoWCeVT50Gyy0h8ljtbG7J1L5ijVLdjmghLZSIrfqJTGrQm48oXPZaBQAIzUCi q1HkRjiGZ1lLO3hqFsze2OrEOHqagNv3rXRg4FYdKha9Z6s4O/aOeTWOaEGHbS/wut0l PlucZO6/nqQF+soWBUXPyHgpPzJ2loohd/7i0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=IiIjodxWNDWFfxNB2LJ4e6ThgCxvxmsfE02xZc+3/MkK+vC15hR7oppAAM/+3BVLKS T5YCKRnQ7AEY92blwqLohNd79fEcWGltetQkvs5zgWxLyGCxtnFdHW2OBoEBRuAYOLX4 Woh1pCSeThuqBxjGHB5j+rMAda79uJpzxcwqA= Received: by 10.86.92.7 with SMTP id p7mr1101898fgb.72.1219323911207; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.89.11 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560808210605j5bca3944t4bb624c5c435e4e1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:05:11 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Some AIW Questions In-Reply-To: <16d9defd0808201531jca6afa0vc764b9a37d21904b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <16d9defd0808201531jca6afa0vc764b9a37d21904b@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 829 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 8/20/08, chris kerr wrote: > > Lojban text: xu mi mi mintu ca le nu mi cikna binxo ca le zi cerni .i > pe'iru'e ba'anai mi cinmo le nu mi frica milxe .i ku'i va'o le nu mi mi na > mintu cu jersi preti fa le du'u mi du makau > > The first thing I'm wondering about is {mi cinmo le nu} wherein cinmo is > wanting (ka) for x2. Yes, I do tend to hesitate between ka and nu for the x2 of cinmo. If you do use {ka} there, then {mi} should be omitted or changed to {ce'u}: {mi cinmo lo ka [ce'u] frica milxe} > The second thing is in {.i ku'i va'o le nu} wherein vanbi seems to be a word > limited to referring to physical surroundings in the real world and thus > wants (ind./mass) in x1. Such as a mass of pants, or an angry prenu, etc. > But I've been seeing {va'o} used on #lojban when talking about things like > grammer in bridi... so what kind of latitude is there in its use? Lots of latitude. {va'o} is used for context/environment/conditions in the widest sense, very often with counterfactual situations (as here). > Seems > like there's a number of other more appropriate modals which could be used: > > kai > ki'i > ji'u > ri'a lo da'i za'i li'o > ki'u lo da'i za'i li'o > ni'i > ma'i > > I guess there's a lot, I'll stop there. "if" is hard in Lojban, so go with whatever makes you more comfortable. I usually prefer {va'o}, but probably adding {da'i} wouldn't hurt there: {va'o lo nu da'i mi mi na mintu}. mu'o mi'e xorxes