From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Aug 21 11:01:16 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KWETC-0003g4-CI for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:01:15 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.156]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KWET5-0003ev-No for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:01:14 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so58731fga.0 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:01:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=XMkeY+Q2bXwc4lQvejRbIiN1jbVjdrztDdzFsHtGDsc=; b=YTAI3bpjo6qTPHCgwal6OA0xI2oX5Jm2LrfpCj6f0H0cC28535EtG85bkQ/XHBHCuu ciPKZZjEXTHeAtR8Z6/2jMyQQOnPi6ZeTefvNqJpf85HiQS9teG/ILDZhAYG6FN98GU6 w5oXqF9Ut/ewWmuLPDEOpSivbY/ylCiDCQL+4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=AdNvcqlaEF24Xp9bJDf4d/hB3fRj4UIgdcAiVVQqcpK37VdfxWrhRGkJ+c0Rzi4hba pSUHWCCkDFJB07dyHSTo4L0vlWjIOGs/JspDowfOO3k2G80XoNi2cmXj1dy5EsmPxDYA fBlZXrNzTZUvpdycl5VBMrh7gTQD5+vcmhdBU= Received: by 10.86.71.1 with SMTP id t1mr100703fga.36.1219341664935; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.89.11 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560808211101v10595fa1n367e385eb8f9b86e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:01:04 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Ingersoll's creed - laboriously In-Reply-To: <192115.48091.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <192115.48091.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 833 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 8/21/08, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > > I find this construction confusing. Could you explain all the elements of > {lo jai bu'u gleki cu me la'e zo no} in detail, please? (I had {zo nau}.) I guess the difficult bit is {jai bu'u}. {jai bu'u} is similar to a cmavo from selma'o SE. It re-orders the arguments of a brivla, bringing in this case the bu'u-argument to x1 and sending the old x1 to a new place tagged with {fai}. So for example, if you have: mi tavla do bu'u lo panka I talk to you in the park. you can transform it, by re-ordering the places of {tavla}, into: lo panka cu jai bu'u tavla do fai mi The park is where talk to you I. {me la'e zo nau} is just a selbri meaning: "x1 is that which is referred to by the word "nau". mu'o mi'e xorxes