From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Aug 25 12:59:51 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KXiE9-0000Nq-Ck for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:59:50 -0700 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.232]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KXiE6-0000NR-Cs for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:59:49 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c37so1445103wra.26 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:59:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=CM9F+4GyJDthIuQ02CJT7pRhCsTDNJFbyeoINVBc+RM=; b=F+0p+xQaTsgZmXvM4gh1HzS9Twk2xF3W2xPMT4LiOMlN0xlXSBBTsOlHvrUYURYLzF i8i2UB1kfw5XWyvnFXGKLvjwrCVlUZFwezoWIdVxF4wxedQQAaU0O/NSgNBr8yzUrhuC V489VGXrF2YY/QA6Q13+mGdYmbjjDXXkVXSoI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=kbPGqnfY/oeot7gEmm2ZyqUkdh1iJKMlAg7WRuO94Teddc3aMyIlzXKnRiN4IuwTqB h4oM5Oa4y7ZJD/p8djOGoYoDzvwFs4jr0Q/B0iDM765qKKvIAInREIPezlKzj4yfXVYQ mo+rRpMI7HPhlKdS9QnTmx8VofkhtdzdUQe2g= Received: by 10.90.99.3 with SMTP id w3mr5876228agb.6.1219694383818; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.28.2 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16d9defd0808251259u692f4953i666a24d7e6a84078@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:59:43 -0700 From: "chris kerr" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Some AIW Questions In-Reply-To: <925d17560808210605j5bca3944t4bb624c5c435e4e1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_151430_18627346.1219694383806" References: <16d9defd0808201531jca6afa0vc764b9a37d21904b@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560808210605j5bca3944t4bb624c5c435e4e1@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 837 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: letsclimbhigher@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_151430_18627346.1219694383806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wro= te: > On 8/20/08, chris kerr wrote: > > > > Lojban text: xu mi mi mintu ca le nu mi cikna binxo ca le zi cerni .i > > pe'iru'e ba'anai mi cinmo le nu mi frica milxe .i ku'i va'o le nu mi mi > na > > mintu cu jersi preti fa le du'u mi du makau > > > > The first thing I'm wondering about is {mi cinmo le nu} wherein cinmo i= s > > wanting (ka) for x2. > > Yes, I do tend to hesitate between ka and nu for the x2 of cinmo. > If you do use {ka} there, then {mi} should be omitted or changed to > {ce'u}: {mi cinmo lo ka [ce'u] frica milxe} > > > The second thing is in {.i ku'i va'o le nu} wherein vanbi seems to be a > word > > limited to referring to physical surroundings in the real world and thu= s > > wants (ind./mass) in x1. Such as a mass of pants, or an angry prenu, et= c. > > But I've been seeing {va'o} used on #lojban when talking about things > like > > grammer in bridi... so what kind of latitude is there in its use? > > Lots of latitude. {va'o} is used for context/environment/conditions in th= e > widest sense, very often with counterfactual situations (as here). xu la'e di'u cu sarcu fi lo zu'o za'o naldra pilno zo va'o vau .io .i e'o danfu bau lo glibau mu'o mi'e codrus ------=_Part_151430_18627346.1219694383806 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline


On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at= 6:05 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/20/08, chris kerr <letsclimbhigher@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Lojban text: xu mi mi mintu ca le nu mi cikna binxo ca le zi cerni .i<= br> > pe'iru'e ba'anai mi cinmo le nu mi frica milxe .i ku'i= va'o le nu mi mi na
> mintu cu jersi preti fa le du'u mi du makau
>
> The first thing I'm wondering about is {mi cinmo le nu} wherein ci= nmo is
> wanting (ka) for x2.

Yes, I do tend to hesitate between ka and nu for the x2 of cinmo.
If you do use {ka} there, then {mi} should be omitted or changed to
{ce'u}: {mi cinmo lo ka [ce'u] frica milxe}

> The second thing is in {.i ku'i va'o le nu} wherein vanbi seem= s to be a word
> limited to referring to physical surroundings in the real world and th= us
> wants (ind./mass) in x1. Such as a mass of pants, or an angry prenu, e= tc.
> But I've been seeing {va'o} used on #lojban when talking about= things like
> grammer in bridi... so what kind of latitude is there in its use?

Lots of latitude. {va'o} is used for context/environment/conditio= ns in the
widest sense, very often with counterfactual situations (as here).

xu la'e di'u cu sarcu fi lo zu'o za'o naldra p= ilno zo va'o vau .io .i e'o danfu bau lo glibau

mu'o mi&= #39;e codrus

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