From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Sep 14 04:02:53 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 04:02:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KepNU-0000QU-Lg for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 04:02:53 -0700 Received: from web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.200.109]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KepNP-0000Pz-8D for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 04:02:52 -0700 Received: (qmail 19721 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2008 11:02:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=rEacmmwsihZzxfzCoQ7A6i/cXsZTcyjQqJshaEOAKAIN19swZIy95/O5L5qR+WRwQ5Pwg9CI4PkZDPE8m+LXCVEAkpog8+zbjmSXfRmoZ4TUYPETdJNhPJDaF77Ko7vTAL2M0IY1OiQalh8Ry7eBteYgCzAQoAEjPCvHS4FACZQ=; X-YMail-OSG: EJT0q_wVM1nlOpLpDKaDgMH3LW52jHq.KPOE3aFrSdRa_c_99IKWLqi0YNxtaHsLRg-- Received: from [84.195.57.102] by web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 04:02:41 PDT Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 04:02:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gysel Subject: [lojban-beginners] PLace structure vs. cmavo? To: lojban MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1104613907-1221390161=:19611" Message-ID: <292466.19611.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 861 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: to_mu1975@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-1104613907-1221390161=:19611 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii coi rodo Lately I was wondering how the system of 'place structure' came about in lojban. I suppose it comes from 'predicate logic', but can anyone explain that to me? (I can't explain it to others) And 'place structure': is it really more simple than using a cmavo for 'to', 'from', 'by', ...etc? There's a lot of cmavo anyway in lojban, why couldn't we use them, instead of place structure? Is memorizing 'place structures' not much harder? (or maybe it is not that hard? I haven't got a good overview in my mind of all the kinds of place structures there could be in gismu) Thank you for your insightful answers, I notice that I'm attracted to lojban because of my perceived 'simplicity' of the language, and I want to see how right my perception is. ki'e mi'e tam --0-1104613907-1221390161=:19611 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
coi rodo

Lately I was wondering how the system of 'place structure' came about in lojban. I suppose it comes from 'predicate logic', but can anyone explain that to me? (I can't explain it to others)

And 'place structure': is it really more simple than using a cmavo for 'to', 'from', 'by', ...etc? There's a lot of cmavo anyway in lojban, why couldn't we use them, instead of place structure? Is memorizing 'place structures' not much harder? (or maybe it is not that hard? I haven't got a good overview in my mind of all the kinds of place structures there could be in gismu)

Thank you for your insightful answers, I notice that I'm attracted to lojban because of my perceived 'simplicity' of the language, and I want to see how right my perception is.

ki'e
mi'e tam





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