From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Sep 22 18:16:23 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KhwVr-000669-88 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:16:23 -0700 Received: from cpe-071-075-215-096.carolina.res.rr.com ([71.75.215.96] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KhwVn-00065c-VO for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:16:23 -0700 Received: from chausie (chausie.ixazon.lan [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D27769B1 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:16:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: PLace structure vs. cmavo? Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:16:09 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <66950.22571.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200809222116.10150.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 2.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 22 X-Spam-Bar: ++ X-archive-position: 868 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Monday 22 September 2008 15:20:39 Brett Williams wrote: > So that's my main advice to gismu learners: Sure it's intimidating to learn > a five-place gismu, or even a three-place gismu, but you're not really > expected to learn all the places of all the gismu at once, you know? If > you're learning "klama", don't worry about memorizing the 3rd 4th 5th > places, start by being comfortable with "x1 goes to destination x2" and > work your way up from there. You could also make up sayings in which the extra places are used. For instance "do klama le tamji le degji le cidni" means "you go to the thumb from the fingers by way of the elbow"; the English idiom is "you go 'round your elbow to get to your thumb". Pierre