From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 26 08:52:12 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KjFc3-0001hg-QX for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:52:11 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.159]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KjFbw-0001hF-FW for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:52:11 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so776203fga.0 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:52:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=9HWmodhM14bYtIetfavJk2i5NAKjVEfN8pGk76Zascw=; b=xvw8IkqA6PhB7C+/m8LNC5cUFCEXQxygv8/H5SPvQwZiUUeVTch4PsEF1ZNcgPg3cB kYx95E3x2azjh4HZytWcJp8pa1Ruvjd5/HNp9XBF5t9pUo071MIHC0VnijKL727CtJgl oN3vQroid7NnHaih1LWecjY4/MZvU5Dz3OSOM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=D9xRaLuutL73a0DENyZ5ArbNb1yFQas7Jgyliwze/Ag9zAFODlZOK9n8ExNOcf45Es aGnwwjbYIK6dTxAay18Mqw5w3p4ngRZrl7uvUWaowoFCAJgYfNTIsGgrcCcl8VUx8dQy v5qdOzcUc51SZpHS2b3nLRKJuVYJ299f2JNQA= Received: by 10.187.194.1 with SMTP id w1mr247494fap.41.1222444322329; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.187.190.8 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <12d58c160809260852h6cc7a974q67fe145d0995d27f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:52:02 -0400 From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Do you agree with this guy? In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0809260303n6ca54185h148d26128e42efea@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_50_4636436.1222444322344" References: <2f91285f0809260303n6ca54185h148d26128e42efea@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 16f6b560ac05e105 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 872 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_50_4636436.1222444322344 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 6:03 AM, tijlan wrote: > Is Lojban really more like a computer language than a human language? > Is it too difficult for us humans to learn? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOw-3atOCIA His comments are rather vague, & he doesn't seem to have put a whole lot of energy into learning elementary Lojban (It *does* require a good deal of initial energy, given how different it is grammatically from natlang.) There are several, much more intelligent critiques of Lojban around, some even by Lojbanists themselves. I've always thought that the claim "Lojban is simple compared to natural languages; it is easy to learn" is pretty far from true. I'm not sure of the basis for the claim. I would think that a language's ease of learning was predicated upon nearness to one's mother tongue. English speakers probably find German easier to learn than Japanese. But do English speakers find German easier to learn than Lojban? Probably some do and some don't. I guess the claim is too definitive to be true IMHO. In any event, I don't think that ease of learning is a major part of Lojban's appeal. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan ------=_Part_50_4636436.1222444322344 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 6:03 AM, tijlan <picos.picos@gmail.com> wrote:
Is Lojban really more like a computer language than a human language?
Is it too difficult for us humans to learn?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOw-3atOCIA

His comments are rather vague, & he doesn't seem to have put a whole lot of energy into learning elementary Lojban (It *does* require a good deal of initial energy, given how different it is grammatically from natlang.) There are several, much more intelligent critiques of Lojban around, some even by Lojbanists themselves.

I've always thought that the claim "Lojban is simple compared to natural languages; it is easy to learn" is pretty far from true. I'm not sure of the basis for the claim. I would think that a language's ease of learning was predicated upon nearness to one's mother tongue. English speakers probably find German easier to learn than Japanese. But do English speakers find German easier to learn than Lojban? Probably some do and some don't. I guess the claim is too definitive to be true IMHO.

In any event, I don't think that ease of learning is a major part of Lojban's appeal.

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan
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