From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 26 13:23:27 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KjJqZ-0004vs-Ly for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:23:27 -0700 Received: from web110408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([67.195.8.232]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KjJqW-0004vD-Rs for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:23:27 -0700 Received: (qmail 87626 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Sep 2008 20:23:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=AIHJvUnANpKSbyDY1xtlQpcUgZ4vSjWP64VbSXxswUKvxYlNaB8ZVls9x094HL7JTJ7byRqpzjv3ItYtYO9Hy6dD8xQKl7ABRw3c4D1WidtRAHekEqAR7dnUhq6oLgvQUbWUymBHaf3AIMYFujRazI6tWz1rsBIosvMtEqxtC/4=; Received: from [38.98.148.130] by web110408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:23:18 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:23:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathaniel Krause Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Do you agree with this guy? To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <12d58c160809260852h6cc7a974q67fe145d0995d27f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-572613271-1222460598=:86861" Message-ID: <466467.86861.qm@web110408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 874 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nathanielkrause@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-572613271-1222460598=:86861 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- On Fri, 9/26/08, komfo,amonan wrote: From: komfo,amonan Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Do you agree with this guy? To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 10:52 AM On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 6:03 AM, tijlan wrote: Is Lojban really more like a computer language than a human language? Is it too difficult for us humans to learn? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DyOw-3atOCIA His comments are rather vague, & he doesn't seem to have put a whole lot of= energy into learning elementary Lojban (It *does* require a good deal of i= nitial energy, given how different it is grammatically from natlang.) There= are several, much more intelligent critiques of Lojban around, some even b= y Lojbanists themselves. I've always thought that the claim "Lojban is simple compared to natural la= nguages; it is easy to learn" is pretty far from true. I'm not sure of the = basis for the claim. I would think that a language's ease of learning was p= redicated upon nearness to one's mother tongue. English speakers probably f= ind German easier to learn than Japanese. But do English speakers find Germ= an easier to learn than Lojban? Probably some do and some don't. I guess th= e claim is too definitive to be true IMHO. In any event, I don't think that ease of learning is a major part of Lojban= 's appeal. =A0 I think that, if Lojban were easier to learn=0A=0A=0A --0-572613271-1222460598=:86861 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
--- On Fri, 9/26/08, komfo,amonan <komfoamonan@gmail.com> wrote:
From: komfo,amonan <komfoamonan@gmail.com>
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Do you agree with this guy?
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 10:52 AM

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 6:03 AM, tijlan <picos.picos@gmail.com> wrote:
Is Lojban really more like a computer language than a human language?
Is it too difficult for us humans to learn?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOw-3atOCIA

His comments are rather vague, & he doesn't seem to have put a whole lot of energy into learning elementary Lojban (It *does* require a good deal of initial energy, given how different it is grammatically from natlang.) There are several, much more intelligent critiques of Lojban around, some even by Lojbanists themselves.

I've always thought that the claim "Lojban is simple compared to natural languages; it is easy to learn" is pretty far from true. I'm not sure of the basis for the claim. I would think that a language's ease of learning was predicated upon nearness to one's mother tongue. English speakers probably find German easier to learn than Japanese. But do English speakers find German easier to learn than Lojban? Probably some do and some don't. I guess the claim is too definitive to be true IMHO.

In any event, I don't think that ease of learning is a major part of Lojban's appeal.

 
I think that, if Lojban were easier to learn

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