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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Do you agree with this guy?
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On Friday 26 September 2008 17:52:02 komfo,amonan wrote:
> I've always thought that the claim "Lojban is simple compared to natural
> languages; it is easy to learn" is pretty far from true. I'm not sure of
> the basis for the claim. I would think that a language's ease of learning
> was predicated upon nearness to one's mother tongue. English speakers
> probably find German easier to learn than Japanese. But do English speakers
> find German easier to learn than Lojban? Probably some do and some don't. I
> guess the claim is too definitive to be true IMHO.


> In any event, I don't think that ease of learning is a major part of
> Lojban's appeal.

To me, the learning is a major turn-on. Lojban is just so damn interesting 
that I cannot stop reading in the CLL habitually...

Learning English for instance.. I can hardly concentrate on learning it 
consciously; it's just random and thus boring. I, like 98% approximately, 
learn it by doing. So the information the language holds makes up for it's 
stupidity in a way..

What makes Lojban so interesting?
I guess it's (among other things) the "speakable logic" idea, and the general 
structure (which reflects thought [as every language's structure does..]), 
often offering you new insight into the structure of thought itself.

Though, I think these points are not that attractive to everyone.

mu'o mi'e nam


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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Friday 26 September 2008 17:52:02 komfo,amonan wrote:</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I've always thought that the claim "Lojban is simple compared to natural</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; languages; it is easy to learn" is pretty far from true. I'm not sure of</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; the basis for the claim. I would think that a language's ease of learning</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; was predicated upon nearness to one's mother tongue. English speakers</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; probably find German easier to learn than Japanese. But do English speakers</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; find German easier to learn than Lojban? Probably some do and some don't. I</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; guess the claim is too definitive to be true IMHO.</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; In any event, I don't think that ease of learning is a major part of</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Lojban's appeal.</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">To me, the learning is a major turn-on. Lojban is just so damn interesting that I cannot stop reading in the CLL habitually...</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Learning English for instance.. I can hardly concentrate on learning it consciously; it's just random and thus boring. I, like 98% approximately, learn it by doing. So the information the language holds makes up for it's stupidity in a way..</p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">What makes Lojban so interesting?</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I guess it's (among other things) the "speakable logic" idea, and the general structure (which reflects thought [as every language's structure does..]), often offering you new insight into the structure of thought itself.</p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Though, I think these points are not that attractive to everyone.</p>
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