From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Sep 27 06:49:11 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KjaAZ-0005c7-AG for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:49:11 -0700 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.249]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KjaAW-00059F-CD for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:49:11 -0700 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so1319947rvf.46 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:49:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Ct9GT9I043mWiFMxZz4psKNPHwlnIErjee3T1iaYcCs=; b=Gef7Fb01Qvu9q18FOHl9u7qtA+1bApiY3tQV2oFnU9TrsHGTvuTBl6fWdw0S4GIahY /k9B5uP/01MAibcqYASuE7jRfU0GPQ+/fzCPKFs4AZ+ls80MVLtY2rwLlvYqOkWibxx+ vMu/2oyfrigq965xYp8evZenOO66fQmVdtjug= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=RI07H5VQkgKhrUNEAOxbWBrYOMBwIIZ4EobuF7TFP6fiOvPmmemibj/oBtyE+uvXB2 HiIuruJyhEUcyaV0sahw5HIIoyD1BYpIAArf8b+GhsdaF4GUqkviVreKobaZDrnT+/Xg zh1t2keqSgU5GG+WX5HL9uZCKE7M+wYeth51Q= Received: by 10.141.49.6 with SMTP id b6mr1355851rvk.89.1222523347254; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.141.20 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:49:07 -0700 From: "Matt Arnold" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Do you agree with this guy? In-Reply-To: <200809271109.52526.eldrikdo@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0809260303n6ca54185h148d26128e42efea@mail.gmail.com> <20080926214417.GT11841@digitalkingdom.org> <200809271109.52526.eldrikdo@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 879 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners People do learn Lojban. Once you get used to it, it's fine. This gentleman doesn't want to be required to get used to very much. He says he's looking for simplicity, but what he means by "simple" is that it doesn't take much effort for him to intuitively understand it. That means he should stick with English. He's wrong about Arabic not using an alphabet-- it does. Just not the latin alphabet. He seems to be confusing Arabic with Japanese and Chinese glyphs. What does it mean for Lojban to be "a computer language"? Lojban could serve as an interlingua between humans and an artificial intelligence. However, "computer language" usually means a set of mechanical instructions for information processing. For that purpose, Lojban might have a few small advantages over natural languages, but would still be unusable for it. He says he is developing the "best" language, but what is "best"? Even if he figures out what metrics to use to define "best", will he really develop the "best" with such a poverty of research? -Eppcott On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 2:09 AM, Roman Naumann wrote: > On Friday 26 September 2008 23:44:17 Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 12:03:39PM +0200, tijlan wrote: > >> > Is Lojban really more like a computer language than a human > >> > language? Is it too difficult for us humans to learn? > >> > > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOw-3atOCIA > >> > >> I'm not going to even bother watching it: the answer is no. > >> > >> Ah, my gf has a digital video camera. Maybe I'll post a reply in > >> Lojban. :D > >> > >> -Robin > > i'esai > > -- > > mu'o mi'e nam