From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Sep 29 07:22:12 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KkJdc-0001G8-Ba for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:22:12 -0700 Received: from pro10.proekspert.ee ([212.47.207.10] helo=mail.proekspert.ee) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KkJdW-0001FO-3F for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:22:12 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.proekspert.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DEC54026 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:24:20 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.031 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.031 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, AWL=0.368, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.proekspert.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.proekspert.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7glqhBOKJFF8 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:24:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [192.168.40.59] (elmokast.prx [192.168.40.59]) by mail.proekspert.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0D054025 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:24:19 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <48E0E484.6020904@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:21:56 +0300 From: Elmo Todurov User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.14eol (X11/20080724) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban forms of names References: <5627810d0809290632u629019f9h654c8f96105a59d8@mail.gmail.com> <20080929141830.GA18902@sdf.lonestar.org> In-Reply-To: <20080929141830.GA18902@sdf.lonestar.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-Int: 12 X-Spam-Bar: + X-archive-position: 892 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: todurov@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Minimiscience wrote: > de'i li 29 pi'e 09 pi'e 2008 la'o fy. Donald McLean .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. >> One of my children has a name that starts with an 'H'. As near as I >> can tell, the only use of this sound in Lojban is the apostrophe to >> separate two vowels. What, then are the most common approaches for >> handling this situation when converting names? > .skamyxatra > > An 'H' at the beginning of a name is almost always Lojbanized into an 'x', > which makes the sound of a voiced 'H' (the sound doesn't naturally exist in > English, so I'm not sure how best to explain it). Wrong. 'x' is not voiced. It's an unvoiced velar fricative, in other words, it's a h-like sound, made near the palate, not in the throat. Arabic and Russian use it a lot.