From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Sep 29 08:57:06 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KkL7S-0007Qi-4M for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:57:06 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.155]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KkL7K-0007QJ-QF for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:57:05 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so1689438fga.0 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:56:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=aRFiJGA7zNuBzf2K7zGtLzELNiYqIKkYpRmokE0XzKg=; b=fOXm8LVzNI771OfxbwF3rEAogjnfTWF91PtK4A6k0dkXG+MxdOY065xhmjfmhEgNNK aoWSVg20RIHcM3W1nLdBDtYktZYwlzwmr5mMzxQABQXEKNuqtqCY/oolMj7Qt+ChFrVU UlLtrrlMPnkSAiRMTjY6s567mNuW9PqBbUuT4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=WA3eYHUfBDanPDXkjEKFdN5b5I/gaMdMxeDm/rspS9AzqTWdD2B+oJqd8ddmW5lc4O k9WTGg/slbkGV7mAD02UV5FN3TkYlA+uZGIN8z750MjqBtmnCKm28R2LB+DZCJ4kXQFv 6sqSRt2S/b/qJ6J88YGre2CEP4MgAFC5SD+Pc= Received: by 10.187.203.15 with SMTP id f15mr580921faq.105.1222703817281; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.187.190.8 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <12d58c160809290856u351dd122x505bfe43f3189c84@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:56:57 -0400 From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban forms of names In-Reply-To: <5627810d0809290632u629019f9h654c8f96105a59d8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_42498_6570063.1222703817313" References: <5627810d0809290632u629019f9h654c8f96105a59d8@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 797d6df541013fd8 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 903 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_42498_6570063.1222703817313 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Donald McLean wrote: > I am just getting started with Lojban and so there are still many > things that I do not yet understand so please excuse me if this is an > obvious newbie question. I have not yet seen an answer in any of the > resources that I have encountered. > > One of my children has a name that starts with an 'H'. As near as I > can tell, the only use of this sound in Lojban is the apostrophe to > separate two vowels. What, then are the most common approaches for > handling this situation when converting names? I usually consider the etymology when Lojbanizing names. For example, if the name is 'Hannah' (Hebrew), I would go with {xanat.}, because Lojban {x} is the sound of the initial consonant of the Hebrew word, & because in other Semitic languages, feminine nouns end with a {t} sound. While if the name is 'Helena' (Greek), I would go with {.elenas.}, because the Greek begins with a "rough breathing" (like English 'h') which is no longer pronounced, and an {s} sound marks the nominative singular in many Indo European languages (maybe just for masculine nouns, but what are you gonna do?). mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan ------=_Part_42498_6570063.1222703817313 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Donald McLean <dmclean62@gmail.com> wrote:
I am just getting started with Lojban and so there are still many
things that I do not yet understand so please excuse me if this is an
obvious newbie question. I have not yet seen an answer in any of the
resources that I have encountered.

One of my children has a name that starts with an 'H'. As near as I
can tell, the only use of this sound in Lojban is the apostrophe to
separate two vowels. What, then are the most common approaches for
handling this situation when converting names?

I usually consider the etymology when Lojbanizing names. For example, if the name is 'Hannah' (Hebrew), I would go with {xanat.}, because Lojban {x} is the sound of the initial consonant of the Hebrew word, & because in other Semitic languages, feminine nouns end with a {t} sound. While if the name is 'Helena' (Greek), I would go with {.elenas.}, because the Greek begins with a "rough breathing" (like English 'h') which is no longer pronounced, and an {s} sound marks the nominative singular in many Indo European languages (maybe just for masculine nouns, but what are you gonna do?).

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan

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