From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Oct 04 07:48:21 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Km8Qf-00081z-3m for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:48:21 -0700 Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.170.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Km8QW-00080m-SB for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:48:20 -0700 Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k40so751693rnd.0 for ; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:48:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=87Rk1FXVsAS9BwL4kI7XotfryoA0RA+6Kl3EoTbrkmY=; b=teRG/OuQ67aNn4MbsjScE/VxJfcKtD8/DRMcp0jSJRVlRC4CjRRnUwDwRLguD9ixHi W7h5RcGT6JpRWrVOes+tFSLIsVYPvkLto2aLAeP8wy55NXQhLdjxOIgeL1EVmhyKbxA1 0hUy4Zu9Ma0gyPZrjFsUJoNS+NMc6X9TfShWQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=CU4hjAlUqeaxI6zLUV3aE+t4gqyMqFSpnORva3eXZROr782M/09WT2nRforizs+CiW /Sv1UYqDC9gsAwU+FMTKIv1j96CNj1Cgtt6UYi/KCw53sHZXsUAQkTg/7aBoVBfzaYHT rcgc33bSGS5rW3U4NUd7pbl1NaGJR6ogwogjI= Received: by 10.90.98.13 with SMTP id v13mr2885028agb.86.1223131691496; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.82.9 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <95b2fb130810040748q1cff4f6j380fe465517a3712@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:48:11 -0500 From: "H. Felton" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: [lojban-beginners] In-Reply-To: <20081003224156.GA16077@sdf.lonestar.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <95b2fb130810031519q7551f625j79bb0ba4a618242@mail.gmail.com> <20081003224156.GA16077@sdf.lonestar.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 911 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fagricipni@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 10/3/08, Minimiscience wrote: > de'i li 03 pi'e 10 pi'e 2008 la'o fy. H. Felton .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > > > [New Speaker]: lo* se rirni be pendo be mi be'o be'o > > I think this means "child of my friend". I think that "be" is the > > cmavo used to attach a new brivla to modify the first brivla _and_ > > specify some of the sumti of the new brivla, but I am not sure this > > means what I want it to mean > .skamyxatra > You're almost right. "{be}" attaches a {sumti} to the {selbri} before it, > filling in one of the places of the {selbri}. The correct translation for > "child of my friend" would be "{lo se rirni be lo pendo be mi}" (the "{be'o}"s > aren't needed unless the next word is a "{bei}" continuing the internal {sumti} > of a higher-level {selbri}). > > *I'm not sure about that "lo", the changes in the gadri are something > > I am still uncertain about, but I need to think about that a little > > while longer before I can ask for clarification. > If the thing referenced is actually a child, rather than one whom you are > simply referring to as a child, then "{lo}" is the preferred {gadri}. Actually, as I recalled after I had left the computer, since the answer to a "mo" question should be a selbri not a sumti, no gadri should be prefixed to the entire expression; the omission of the internal gadri is indeed a mistake on my part.