From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Oct 04 09:56:50 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 09:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KmAQz-0000w5-QJ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 09:56:49 -0700 Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.32]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KmAQq-0000uE-DT for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 09:56:49 -0700 X-Trace: 143360517/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/f2s-temporary-group/212.139.135.3 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 212.139.135.3 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: mark@antelope.nildram.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAA8950jUi4cD/2dsb2JhbACUX6ZB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,361,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="143360517" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from mk-nildram-webmail-1.uk.tiscali.com (HELO UebiMiau) ([212.139.135.3]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with SMTP; 04 Oct 2008 17:56:32 +0100 Received: from client 62.3.233.118 for UebiMiau2.7 (webmail client); Sat, 4 Oct 2008 17:56:32 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 17:56:32 +0100 From: "Mark" X-Webmail-User: 376e65522c373672 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] User interfacing in Lojban.. X-Priority: 3 X-Original-IP: 62.3.233.118 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / Message-Id: X-archive-position: 912 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mark@antelope.nildram.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Hi, folks, I was thinking recently about how a user interface in Lojban would be labelled, and I came up a bit of a blank, because I can't see how a command is presented (as opposed to commanded) in lojban.. In a typical real UI there are three things a button can say: 1) What the user does by pressing it ("Accept", "Dismiss") 2) What the computer does when the user presses it ("Apply", "Search") 3) What the user notionally communicates by pressing it ("OK") For 2), for instance, you can't just say "Sisku" on the button, as that (as I understand it) means "Look, a search/something searches!" which makes no sense in context. Would the button read "ko sisku" ("Hey you, Search!")? It feels a bit weird to me, but would it to a lojbanistanian? 1) I have no idea how to do. For Accept - "mi fitytu'i"? 3), at least, is fairly clear - "je'e". In fact, I'm glad for this, as it eliminates the ugliness of having to use the English "OK" (as in "All your data has been lost "). Mark ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2