From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Oct 06 16:09:04 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KmzCJ-0002BO-8T for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:09:04 -0700 Received: from mail-gx0-f19.google.com ([209.85.217.19]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KmzCF-0002Af-UM for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:09:03 -0700 Received: by gxk12 with SMTP id 12so6413687gxk.10 for ; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:08:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=xM2YwChMZmTCIErY2q2UZPBzISOmypb9n+qDJN8zRVM=; b=iwvqZg8ctPBJ8tKYjhYMDsbLRvin+cVbxZmeDGuGqz8QfV2FGbW9++AbV0ROqQ20Y+ uR1szj9LkHmCRJsX/bt4Lpg4XR2YHGg/XfLhSEtd4UkX+hd+Iyw8PLchNz8d6mxNxZnk vhdrpKfSDZxmjI42/f6n/GaJNpacYPb6Qpv00= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=jxTzptv1SD1VmRR6U1arWnA2L4fwndaZqU9cAWMrPHY6xuZzq3EaoccfWAoNFU4j4A bH9k0H/vTDeoaIzW6rdMyxwE5NWQYUXV6msckktUwpzy8WC6f2/WH6H4x0ANgHFO/vgV BkB0U3BnAFAVw71s5VjZJHwBgp4a58H/IX0t8= Received: by 10.151.7.4 with SMTP id k4mr8524882ybi.128.1223334533477; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.9.10 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <71550650810061608t8bf6ea5he4fc2be2b80b3721@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:08:53 +0200 From: "Yoav Nir" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: User interfacing in Lojban.. In-Reply-To: <95b2fb130810061435g1a22e9cbkcee4148cb98eaf64@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_74075_25924327.1223334533442" References: <48E7AD62.4010307@finagle.org> <48E7C137.8000100@scarlet.be> <95b2fb130810060908m76a08c7bu3dcf3c16307496cf@mail.gmail.com> <48EA46EF.9050604@finagle.org> <95b2fb130810061435g1a22e9cbkcee4148cb98eaf64@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 919 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: yoav.nir@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_74075_25924327.1223334533442 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:35 PM, H. Felton wrote: > > H. Felton wrote: > >> So, "sisku" _can_ mean "ko sisku"? > > > > In general (if I understand correctly), any part of Lojban speech can be > > omitted when grammatically unambiguous. In this case, the context > > (application command) makes it fairly clear who is to perform the search. > > If it were not a command; eg, "do sisku", "lo nixli cu sisku"; I'd not > have been uncertain, the conversion to a command that "ko" does is > something that I would not have thought could be elided. > I think you're right, but if doesn't matter to the present question. "File" does not mean anything either by itself, and neither does "Font". For UI we give up grammatical purity in all languages in favor of brevity. No reason why lojban should be different. ------=_Part_74075_25924327.1223334533442 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline


On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:35 PM, H. Felton <fagricipni@gmail.com> wrote:
> H. Felton wrote:
>> So, "sisku" _can_ mean "ko sisku"?
>
> In general (if I understand correctly), any part of Lojban speech can be
> omitted when grammatically unambiguous.  In this case, the context
> (application command) makes it fairly clear who is to perform the search.

If it were not a command; eg, "do sisku", "lo nixli cu sisku"; I'd not
have been uncertain, the conversion to a command that "ko" does is
something that I would not have thought could be elided.

I think you're right, but if doesn't matter to the present question. "File" does not mean anything either by itself, and neither does "Font". 

For UI we give up grammatical purity in all languages in favor of brevity. No reason why lojban should be different.

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