From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Oct 06 23:36:08 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kn6Ay-00011F-Mg for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:36:08 -0700 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.146]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kn6Au-00010K-TH for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:36:08 -0700 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so917507eyk.58 for ; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:36:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=5RSNHiv1PN5TaoJBp41xSSIVB0LPX79GcVRstLL8L6g=; b=WnPCrn1fhsfA3i1zILlUKITinS4unyCqIGx6onu+fWmREgyjpRYzaHGT3iaHxlxW4f vH/R5Vt3WATNyO4yS8VI9xqAyXgOvkpfgtMxy9eG5iD7DV2+OrCkOkJ+y83mcsc+krak ONV7ZZmoiQ5RYJzL5DTYWOFlkVeU9dODDsJI4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=b7vdGTfJL0P2eKg5kBYbM6bypzHED5n6xZj63oOep//HsLTpY0nhuzMb4L/qCmenVU 9m27SCVN7gdYgpGIfHvW+X6za5YrQWqZh8jweaqiDs0Z6Is+2pVT+z97Lhd9T7XbvQtT 3cOU8Il3Vd9Lvz0gnWVoRjoFQ53HlSPL5cZ3M= Received: by 10.210.109.20 with SMTP id h20mr7177874ebc.60.1223361363235; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.57.6 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:36:03 +1300 From: "LakMeer Kravid" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: User interfacing in Lojban.. In-Reply-To: <12d58c160810062009t6414b9daq3f2f2285d8fde7c4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48E7AD62.4010307@finagle.org> <48E7C137.8000100@scarlet.be> <95b2fb130810060908m76a08c7bu3dcf3c16307496cf@mail.gmail.com> <48EA46EF.9050604@finagle.org> <95b2fb130810061435g1a22e9cbkcee4148cb98eaf64@mail.gmail.com> <71550650810061608t8bf6ea5he4fc2be2b80b3721@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160810062009t6414b9daq3f2f2285d8fde7c4@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 921 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lakmeerkravid@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners I definitely think the actor should be totally elided in this context. As Yaov said, brevity is key. The "Home" button does not read "Go Home" or "Make Me Go Home", nor does the "Accept" button read "I Accept" (actor is user) or "Accept This" (actor is program). The simple labels "zdani", or "sisku" are not only appropriate, but preferable to overly explicit and verbose options. If this discussion has so far proven anything, it's that users have different ideas about who is the actor anyway ;-) .i ji'a mi jinvi lo du'u zo je'e zo'oi OK cu traji mapti .i'esai mu'o .i mi'e lak