From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Oct 09 13:41:40 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ko2KK-0008SU-Go for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:41:40 -0700 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.238]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ko2KH-0008Ra-Oo for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:41:40 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c37so103652wra.26 for ; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:41:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=8YZ9fLOzNKUrvPc9A63hu06GjJ6AQiJkU8mNSKQFqo0=; b=VU22vCKVBEqXIDYjIOeTlfH5beBtxoLC87ESMjI1LKXlaakplslo+GLDuS6QIkAEaF Tjx51OotNpxWCf93tjLqBk74IskHPmIKeb50CxUILZAAqJmn42NgGUnhJr3KQ1avhZDG UNdguFVVYeVDOP+ybjhVwy0Fc/AQvZfM+pqYI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=kLKf1Sa8iLHyOmM+i1L8N/mO7d82nhz7BM4VzuHuxFkmkzYXZVxlZsbmPmPMgAWIox 8AxYbWbRGxlyKBPpo8rRCsHrlmRFsVoPbTrRiap+Flr2fDTOzByo5nF9z5W/ch7MhzkT +t++9koxx9qTeR9tPLqpJg0J6XZvWGg+MIUws= Received: by 10.143.35.4 with SMTP id n4mr327254wfj.64.1223584895744; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.214.14 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:41:35 -0400 From: "Brett Williams" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Problems with using vowel ending sequences as cmavo? In-Reply-To: <95b2fb130810081721o6e719e2ci2b649f8a7dba45e4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_137217_32988558.1223584895746" References: <95b2fb130810081721o6e719e2ci2b649f8a7dba45e4@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 926 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mungojelly@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_137217_32988558.1223584895746 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 10/8/08, H. Felton wrote: > > > However, I'd like to know if there are reasonable ways of getting > around the issue with using a tanru as a name. I think that they can > be used after la by putting ku at the end of the name. However, I > know that the vocatives also take names; and I don't know if it is > even _possible_ to use a tanru as a name after a vocative, and if it > is then how complex is the mechanism for doing so. > .i coi doi fagri cipni hello, fire bird .i do .e'a tanru se cmene you may be tanru named .i mi ji'a tanru se cmene I am also tanru named mi'e stela se ckiku I'm "stela se ckiku" .i la fagri cipni la stela se ckiku ku simsa lo ka tanru se cmene "fagri cipni" and "stela se ckiku" are similar in their quality of being tanru named to mi pilno zo ku mu'i lo nu mupli .i zo cu ji'a .e'a se pilno toi (I used "ku" as an example; "cu" also may be used.) .i fi'i la fagri cipni ku noi .o'a dai tanru se cmene Welcome, Fire Bird, who is (pride!) tanru named! mu'o mi'e se ckiku see ya, i'm Key-Opened ------=_Part_137217_32988558.1223584895746 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On 10/8/08, H. Felton <fagricipni@gmail.com> wrote:

However, I'd like to know if there are reasonable ways of getting
around the issue with using a tanru as a name.  I think that they can
be used after la by putting ku at the end of the name.  However, I
know that the vocatives also take names; and I don't know if it is
even _possible_ to use a tanru as a name after a vocative, and if it
is then how complex is the mechanism for doing so.

.i coi doi fagri cipni
hello, fire bird
 
.i do .e'a tanru se cmene
you may be tanru named
 
.i mi ji'a tanru se cmene
I am also tanru named

mi'e stela se ckiku
I'm "stela se ckiku"
 
.i la fagri cipni la stela se ckiku ku simsa lo ka tanru se cmene
"fagri cipni" and "stela se ckiku" are similar in their quality of being tanru named

to mi pilno zo ku mu'i lo nu mupli .i zo cu ji'a .e'a se pilno toi
(I used "ku" as an example; "cu" also may be used.)
 
.i fi'i la fagri cipni ku noi .o'a dai tanru se cmene
Welcome, Fire Bird, who is (pride!) tanru named!
 
mu'o mi'e se ckiku
see ya, i'm Key-Opened

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