From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Oct 10 13:12:33 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KoOLh-000355-Cm for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:12:33 -0700 Received: from mail-gx0-f19.google.com ([209.85.217.19]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KoOLd-00033n-Tf for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:12:33 -0700 Received: by gxk12 with SMTP id 12so1276108gxk.10 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:12:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=UqQd+UOPJbw96wTM3Js7hegQo0NGdrvtmExblblVX4k=; b=veUeRk5D1tlFQhziEH4QuVGT8A3NiaotHZt8Y8keTlDNr9Ib7XeUhoV6QEFbvRwd93 3L9t8rrTLltS9MUgtuW+W9m02mU9wqJURYHeuMneLx8jZY/gJuQAJgAKkG4q0HxVWK3A ktDkujtcDPXLsIr+tvTdg2fdbhHX72A4G62Ig= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=iQHONliQJvav76PvemaVTt90FpTRFHtp9BwdPKT2l4ZbpS49lzFCzK9bx5rcrwkQBU SPDUXt+ht3Z0WqODdZOW+mUzz3KPGeasl7FyLHMaOPh3MVgMiMrLvF+8Pn59OCrpCRfR 4TVi67ayAsjTX/uvKpbRzeaAAypIT77Mak5CQ= Received: by 10.90.78.10 with SMTP id a10mr2211662agb.66.1223669542778; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.82.9 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <95b2fb130810101312j56f2ef4yc12b113262cf37ee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:12:22 -0500 From: "H. Felton" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Problems with using vowel ending sequences as cmavo? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <95b2fb130810081721o6e719e2ci2b649f8a7dba45e4@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 930 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fagricipni@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 10/9/08, Brett Williams wrote: > .i coi doi fagri cipni > hello, fire bird > > .i do .e'a tanru se cmene > you may be tanru named > > .i mi ji'a tanru se cmene > I am also tanru named > > mi'e stela se ckiku > I'm "stela se ckiku" > > .i la fagri cipni la stela se ckiku ku simsa lo ka tanru se cmene > "fagri cipni" and "stela se ckiku" are similar in their quality of being > tanru named > > to mi pilno zo ku mu'i lo nu mupli .i zo cu ji'a .e'a se pilno toi > (I used "ku" as an example; "cu" also may be used.) > > .i fi'i la fagri cipni ku noi .o'a dai tanru se cmene > Welcome, Fire Bird, who is (pride!) tanru named! > > mu'o mi'e se ckiku > see ya, i'm Key-Opened mi cuxna lo'u fagri cipni le'u mu'i tu'a(?) le(?) ranmi be la'o .xy. Phoenix .xy. .i la'e di'u se mukti le(?) nu sinka be le(?) pacna be le nu be fi le xagmu lifri (?) .i pei do cuxna le nu do cmene lo'u stela se ckiku I chose "fagri cipni" because of the myth of the "Phoenix". That was because it symbolizes the hope that I can return to the better "good" life {I once had}. Why did you choose the name "stela se ckiku". {end of Lojban} "key-opened lock" doesn't seem to have obvious significance to me, to me. Though, I'll admit that "fire bird" doesn't have any obvious significance to anyone unfamiliar with the legend of the Phoenix. A perhaps better explanation (in English, though) is at http://fagricipni.livejournal.com/362.html ; there is one error of understanding the rule of consonant cluster in the first 5 letters of brivla in that page, unfortunately -- That will have to be fixed, eventually. On can also see in my Lojban message above that I am still having trouble with the new gadri.