From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Oct 11 09:25:04 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KohH5-00009i-IB for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:25:03 -0700 Received: from el-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.162.180]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KohH1-00008I-Ir for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:25:03 -0700 Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z25so385592ele.1 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:24:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=rj6j0HYqIHlCbo96U34QrqoYUZPuuWX1kZZAKDwzFPo=; b=MvvaZXk8C/w0yUdZ9jaHXrGsHdXfAdIOXpdfx3NtL9DSHtKCfjXem3SVblCx8Pf7e+ YDEHycjUnzKsaIcRxQA1+sPza+G9NcuW456Vw3kc9/Guslk+BMalXRQGvKS4wm707ttd TUBMBwLmfsEJ3D7qanNgpWDtD3h6b6UzwPQtQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=EpGvNXUzGNP5rn2JlFPeHQHTruT0d8MaxUo8TSS9FXsPrbIIuX4jqAbAvUx1XEf9fV JNtmDx1F2XZ0BCQP64gU/PKoocG1y+QhAr00kAIC60T/VUsA4pNFUcmAL+wio3gZWVQK 088aL83lk/mSWMUPINb4IQFeApGY/M1m/Hu98= Received: by 10.151.9.1 with SMTP id m1mr4507268ybi.164.1223742298401; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.199.20 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f30810110924q201b6202t4067cd4fb6327840@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:24:58 -0500 From: "Chris Capel" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: le vs lo, round 983749587345 (was Re: Problems with using vowel ending sequences as cmavo?) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 932 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 00:04, Brett Williams wrote: > You wouldn't use "lo" in a situation where the referent is not literally and > exactly the sort of thing that goes in the brivla place you're using as a > description. If you were talking about a plastic apple, you could call it > "le plise" or you could call it "lo slasi" (a plastic thing), but you > wouldn't say "lo plise" because that would imply falsely that the thing you > are referring to is actually an apple. Alas, I'm not sure this is true. (If it were, it would be a great explanation.) But one can correctly say {lo slasi plise} to refer to a plastic apple. And in a paragraph, you could introduce the apple with {lo slasi plise} and refer to it subsequently with the shorter {lo plise}. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet)