From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Oct 27 07:19:34 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KuSwQ-0002iC-5h for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:19:34 -0700 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.171]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KuSwL-0002hn-NG for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:19:33 -0700 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 29so249503ugc.36 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:19:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=qY1+eF4TIs7BWxh8xv27Zbm4PJd6s+yBC4HLGalnsfI=; b=ZdsZW1tKPepfRO8XU5U0ucKVyfUcKTBmRCQuVjFJ+629yZBsKWfcO3uzeoJFm1cAWj oTcECtaHTEF31P8ow4UWqYkTldAIh6Qm0OrZcyPaXS/VQOwYwyhbZMwxFUSzBiSvEz2M pnC+A8FWLjJO8jsgQh2g6Xkdr7+M/Z9F+BWeU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=JWe2PP3YSkNcTIaS3+itFr/sy2B/l2ALL23SfEC+qjUOE33O+wsl50FnfC/H3yfF8j s3OIkSJgU5TBbUwSgY7oYklyym+YkLA2XOX0Epnf1FWfQAPgvU7/nOlsNI0n2aupSxuF yHg+SVcL3DfFsJRpCjfoUxBCcCcz9pSr3uwyE= Received: by 10.210.128.5 with SMTP id a5mr6729287ebd.119.1225117168589; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.142.8 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5715b9300810270719o48cbdd9bidad6c976cdaef612@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:19:28 -0400 From: "Luke Bergen" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: New jbovlaste-based dictionary In-Reply-To: <71550650810270715o23a932c6n765fb3224717702d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41885_3703273.1225117168549" References: <71550650810241328td3388e5te35a316a5a32adfe@mail.gmail.com> <71550650810270439q52fa6697qc19fc8e093115c64@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300810270700l2342cf3m51bc7fe64b9a1abb@mail.gmail.com> <71550650810270715o23a932c6n765fb3224717702d@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 944 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_41885_3703273.1225117168549 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I use a homemade program that parses a flat text file when I press a hotkey on my keyboard and returns the definition. I was thinking that if that thing that you made were in the right format then I could extend it even further. Maybe I'll make it a bit more robust and submit it for everyone to use. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: > I guess I can do that, and post a text file in addition to the PDF. Maybe > also the ODT file. > Of course with a text file, I can't have hidden text, so you either have a > visible $xag$, which is ugly, or else omit that part, which omits the easy > searchability. What's wrong with PDF? > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> It would be more useful for me if it were in a flat text file instead of a >> pdf. If something like that were possible that would be great. Also, about >> how large is this distribution list? >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: >> >>> So I guess, not much interest... >>> Oh well, it's a fun project. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: >>> >>>> coi rodo >>>> For a while now, I've had some problems trying to get an English-lojban >>>> dictionary from jbovlaste. Even when I managed to get one, I found searching >>>> it to be a pain. >>>> >>>> So I downloaded the XML file, and re-formatted it to the format expected >>>> by OpenOffice. I then opened the file in OO, and exported it to a PDF. My >>>> version has a few advantages over the "official" jbovlaste-exported PDF: >>>> >>>> >>>> - It's available online, so it can be just downloaded. It does not >>>> need to be "generated" >>>> - It has both a Lojban to English section, and an English to Lojban >>>> section. >>>> - Easy searching. At the first line of every definition there is a >>>> list of the word itself, and each of its rafsi, surrounded by dollar signs. >>>> For example, on the first line of xamgu, there's $xamgu$ $xag$ $xau$. But >>>> these items are in tiny white letters, so you can't see them. Your PDF >>>> reader (tried with Acrobat and Preview) can, so if you see a rafsi in use >>>> "ba'u" and want to know what it is, you search for $ba'u$ and learn that >>>> it's a rafsi of bacru, and also get the definition of bacru >>>> >>>> Please download this from the link below, and let me know if you feel >>>> this is useful. If so, I can make a new "edition" every month or every other >>>> month. >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/5c3vus >>>> >>>> mu'o mi'e ioav >>>> >>>> >>> >> > ------=_Part_41885_3703273.1225117168549 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I use a homemade program that parses a flat text file when I press a hotkey on my keyboard and returns the definition.  I was thinking that if that thing that you made were in the right format then I could extend it even further.  Maybe I'll make it a bit more robust and submit it for everyone to use.

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Yoav Nir <yoav.nir@gmail.com> wrote:
I guess I can do that, and post a text file in addition to the PDF.  Maybe also the ODT file.

Of course with a text file, I can't have hidden text, so you either have a visible $xag$, which is ugly, or else omit that part, which omits the easy searchability.  What's wrong with PDF?


On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
It would be more useful for me if it were in a flat text file instead of a pdf.  If something like that were possible that would be great.  Also, about how large is this distribution list?


On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Yoav Nir <yoav.nir@gmail.com> wrote:
So I guess, not much interest...

Oh well, it's a fun project.


On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Yoav Nir <yoav.nir@gmail.com> wrote:
coi rodo

For a while now, I've had some problems trying to get an English-lojban dictionary from jbovlaste. Even when I managed to get one, I found searching it to be a pain.

So I downloaded the XML file, and re-formatted it to the format expected by OpenOffice. I then opened the file in OO, and exported it to a PDF. My version has a few advantages over the "official" jbovlaste-exported PDF:

  • It's available online, so it can be just downloaded. It does not need to be "generated"
  • It has both a Lojban to English section, and an English to Lojban section.
  • Easy searching. At the first line of every definition there is a list of the word itself, and each of its rafsi, surrounded by dollar signs. For example, on the first line of xamgu, there's $xamgu$ $xag$ $xau$. But these items are in tiny white letters, so you can't see them. Your PDF reader (tried with Acrobat and Preview) can, so if you see a rafsi in use "ba'u" and want to know what it is, you search for $ba'u$ and learn that it's a rafsi of bacru, and also get the definition of bacru
Please download this from the link below, and let me know if you feel this is useful. If so, I can make a new "edition" every month or every other month.


mu'o mi'e ioav





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