From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Oct 29 13:30:06 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KvHg6-00066F-L7 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:30:06 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.155]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KvHfw-00062f-6Y for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:30:06 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so183795fga.0 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:29:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=esZOpYktr7FuBTy5iO3rR+M0zRzW7ZqktobONBL4yCM=; b=TSpv14protjAzP6NhZnbYpAlgGpU/p3QjLNpedFl98sw0CAND95LM3qoP6su/5yoU/ dV9EZzsDL4zDZmDcs7+X+U33pOQF4Fx3wCn0Z4gQSN9qhVJzR9HtPwDt8NWAyaFiXw/s Mz0LMd6LacKgv4mC0WWzUKquwIgfRroMWez1o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=LjWsaa7uxE9d/uaeCVI1/qbV5wxP3DbvSI+YrPwnP/XVDgUp1E9bHUyEYXc1fGoavE cOrUd5hlqteCbVYJmb2g2JUeAOfWokJoPC3KS9AC5JHCxX9Keo/N2MlK5lS6bvefcweo 6Nu4oNrB5Oa0gX+TsY+ykvkXi/N88ta7LYplM= Received: by 10.187.239.18 with SMTP id q18mr902942far.16.1225312190171; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.187.190.8 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <12d58c160810291329r5a85b47bv600d00c24a821d73@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:29:50 -0400 From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Musical Tense In-Reply-To: <4de8c3930810291032h602e1fadu54c27862d2e73fef@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12574_12542108.1225312190168" References: <4de8c3930810291032h602e1fadu54c27862d2e73fef@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e944cb28e7455a1a X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 958 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_12574_12542108.1225312190168 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 1:32 PM, tijlan wrote: > I slightly wonder whether music should be considered in terms other > than of time (e.g. ZI), like space (e.g. VA) or something else. > Example: "The song begins with the vocal; then the strings gradually > develops; and, just before the strings reach its first climax, there > kick in the drums." Audio-wise, the sequence occurs along the time > axis. But, notation-wise, it can also be spatially mapped out. There > is an interesting spacetime tense word {vi'e} but it is used only for > interval. I would like to hear your thoughts on how Lojban should > deconstruct such musical tense as in "there come in the drums". Music is a temporal phenomenon, even if its representation is often spatial. If two people are listening to a piece of music, one might say to the other: {le damri ba zi co'a se tirna} The percussion-instrument(s) will [short-time] [initiative] be-heard The drums will in a short time begin to be heard. [Loosely:] This is where the drums come in. If two people are looking over a musical score, one might point to a spot & say: {le damri ca la'e ti co'a se tirna} The percussion-instrument(s) at-the-time-of the-referent-of this-here [initiative] be-heard The drums begin to be heard at this spot. [Loosely:] This is where the drums come in. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan ------=_Part_12574_12542108.1225312190168 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 1:32 PM, tijlan <picos.picos@gmail.com> wrote:
I slightly wonder whether music should be considered in terms other
than of time (e.g. ZI), like space (e.g. VA) or something else.
Example: "The song begins with the vocal; then the strings gradually
develops; and, just before the strings reach its first climax, there
kick in the drums." Audio-wise, the sequence occurs along the time
axis. But, notation-wise, it can also be spatially mapped out. There
is an interesting spacetime tense word {vi'e} but it is used only for
interval. I would like to hear your thoughts on how Lojban should
deconstruct such musical tense as in "there come in the drums".

Music is a temporal phenomenon, even if its representation is often spatial.

If two people are listening to a piece of music, one might say to the other:
{le damri ba zi co'a se tirna}
The percussion-instrument(s) will [short-time] [initiative] be-heard 
The drums will in a short time begin to be heard.
[Loosely:] This is where the drums come in.

If two people are looking over a musical score, one might point to a spot & say:
{le damri ca la'e ti co'a se tirna}
The percussion-instrument(s) at-the-time-of the-referent-of this-here [initiative] be-heard
The drums begin to be heard at this spot.
[Loosely:] This is where the drums come in.

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan 


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