From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Oct 30 03:27:45 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KvUki-0008RU-Vr for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:27:45 -0700 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.154]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KvUkf-0008R6-LF for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:27:44 -0700 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so180564ywm.46 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:27:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=eZgckFobolFR+zCJRYGawioGzsAqM8Atp+FDpZ70bS8=; b=LsYVckq1h/xcr6gKU3+4UaL3Z+3OMJKxGqD3rVhCvqrZ72zDn3eFzN8nVY+mncNJoH kIdkuk/B/rbpEYlC0LcLUytLfWb2N7623CE6a+9SyjmjNxsjH2R+sATol5HdeH6YSRnH m3ZTzwZTy3wgOLGh6muxfbmxYghhaaMMeA38Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=ZzDGdXzI5VyZvk1bKkqUEWjClM+Nr5Z1KAA+rGfzCeuAysktC1YXDD/2hgYMshiLJq 8jvXnxiqqfr0mTmFmEy89uwyZ8OThJCHm3C4PQ0w50tnzPKdYLS4CmWIhhFykCXxiMxU 0eNe9ZWxOKvw+KK4IBtxYTe81Ubd7D649ptB8= Received: by 10.151.156.19 with SMTP id i19mr7088597ybo.180.1225362457855; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.204.1 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7c91612c0810300327q70dcc34ftda417cd3d99bc8e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:57:37 +0530 From: "Lakshmi Ravi Narayan" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: vocabulary In-Reply-To: <4de8c3930810300306n47492b21idcedb42dc39cafc2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1944_32731469.1225362457829" References: <7c91612c0810292037i44d1bfa4ie8f0e674bdd8d008@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930810300306n47492b21idcedb42dc39cafc2@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 966 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lakshmiravinarayan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_1944_32731469.1225362457829 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline thanks very much, it all looks much more easy and achievable now! On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:36 PM, tijlan wrote: > There are some flash card solutions. I personally find jMemorize > greatly helpful. > > http://www.lojban.com/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=jMemorize+instructions&bl > > I began learning Lojban about a year and 8 months ago; within some 3 > months I managed to memorize virtually all gismu for the first time, > except some mathematical ones like {picti}. After a few interval I > forgot many of them, but I continued plodding through the word list > with the software. By the last summer my competence had increased to > the point where I could read a long text without relying too much on > the dictionary (the word list) except for some shortened lujvo > (compound words). > > This may also be helpful to the beginner: > > http://jbotcan.org/clixra (flash cards with pictures, still incomplete > though) > > As to the cmavo, I have learned most of what I need of them as I > studied the CLL (Complete Lojban Language), since they, unlike gismu, > each have particular grammatical properties that are crucial in their > individual usage. > > I find that you don't really need to memorize the exact place > structure for every word, especially for the purpose of reading. For > many of them are intuitive enough and can be figured out from the > context. > > The attitudinals (the likes of {u'i}) have been not particularly easy > but enjoyable part for me. Some useful ones of these you can learn by, > like Elmo suggested, hanging in the IRC. > > > 2008/10/30 Lakshmi Ravi Narayan : > > i am 3 days into learning lojban and have no problem with the grammar (i > am > > a computer programmer and scripter of sorts) but i dont know how to > proceed > > with learning words and their meanings. is there an effective way to gain > > vocabulary? what did other students find helpful? > > thanks, > > lakshmi ravi narayan > > > > > > ------=_Part_1944_32731469.1225362457829 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline thanks very much, it all looks much more easy and achievable now!

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:36 PM, tijlan <picos.picos@gmail.com> wrote:
There are some flash card solutions. I personally find jMemorize
greatly helpful.

http://www.lojban.com/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=jMemorize+instructions&bl

I began learning Lojban about a year and 8 months ago; within some 3
months I managed to memorize virtually all gismu for the first time,
except some mathematical ones like {picti}. After a few interval I
forgot many of them, but I continued plodding through the word list
with the software. By the last summer my competence had increased to
the point where I could read a long text without relying too much on
the dictionary (the word list) except for some shortened lujvo
(compound words).

This may also be helpful to the beginner:

http://jbotcan.org/clixra (flash cards with pictures, still incomplete though)

As to the cmavo, I have learned most of what I need of them as I
studied the CLL (Complete Lojban Language), since they, unlike gismu,
each have particular grammatical properties that are crucial in their
individual usage.

I find that you don't really need to memorize the exact place
structure for every word, especially for the purpose of reading. For
many of them are intuitive enough and can be figured out from the
context.

The attitudinals (the likes of {u'i}) have been not particularly easy
but enjoyable part for me. Some useful ones of these you can learn by,
like Elmo suggested, hanging in the IRC.


2008/10/30 Lakshmi Ravi Narayan <lakshmiravinarayan@gmail.com>:
> i am 3 days into learning lojban and have no problem with the grammar (i am
> a computer programmer and scripter of sorts) but i dont know how to proceed
> with learning words and their meanings. is there an effective way to gain
> vocabulary? what did other students find helpful?
> thanks,
> lakshmi ravi narayan
>




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