From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Nov 11 15:32:09 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:32:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L02iP-0000tw-Eo for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:32:09 -0800 Received: from mail-gx0-f16.google.com ([209.85.217.16]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L02iE-0000qP-4m for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:32:09 -0800 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so24811gxk.10 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:30:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=AD9AYXZzCB4R3bFvAWJI29C28dmSyeodOLh7GV7Mty0=; b=gNGozZFJ2ZJ/j9hVosxkYsaHejS74pvNrpAjT2MVGnPwb7QeFDm5CC4JUzaDM5bJJ1 xUy2URUpNgMqjvIa2JgBRHIFxNI3buiNoaPJg+1L1aA4FISTKzyDxHxTbgvLxibr4sch p/uTSjQgP7MJzKtADRUsO20o2irrDej/F3y24= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=jXJ2oZK3Xsg/9B68EkxHuf6YbhKHmZKj5VqhyTJFM4C0gtiNSC7IAoRdUOa9TuTV5t zhFoaF0T+an2By50nlOdvfMgZAYCbqOFGrGm2/CZRAQNwdC35KqyYeijZwOpKm8FPnsL et0WqhyxUUPAHp97Aki7fTF3D923yI3JnquAI= Received: by 10.151.111.15 with SMTP id o15mr12869794ybm.181.1226446223603; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:30:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.9.10 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:30:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <71550650811111530v3febc4a1t30b7f69427cdbde1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:30:23 +0200 From: "Yoav Nir" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] A priest, a rabbi and an Indian chief walk into a bar... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_81516_13691893.1226446223604" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1003 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: yoav.nir@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_81516_13691893.1226446223604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Attempting to translate a joke like this gave me some thought. The sentence is kind of easy --- klama lo barja or --- klama mo'ine'i lo barja The hard part is the participants. I searched jbovlaste and could not find an Indian Chief, or even an American Indian or native american. I could make up a big tanru with leader+aboriginal+american or even condense it into a lujvo, but then I'd get something like ralmerliryraixa'u - leader+American+(early+superlative+dwell). Surely there's something better. Priest has a different word in every natural language, so I guess it needs its own word in lojban. But what xisjdaca'i? Christian religious leader? How did we get from a 5 letter word in English to this? For Rabbi, every language uses a variation of the Hebrew original. The original is "rav" meaning master or teacher, but in most languages, even sometimes in Hebrew, people use a variation on "rabi" meaning "my rav" (very much like sensei in Japanese). So is it possible to just use rabi as a class-4 fu'ivla? Maybe only a class-3 fu'ivla. But what gismu should I add to "rabi"? It is a job, so maybe gunkrabi? But a rabbi is also a teacher, so maybe ctucrabi? Please let me know what you think mi'e ioav ------=_Part_81516_13691893.1226446223604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Attempting to translate a joke like this gave me some thought.

The sentence is kind of easy
   --- klama lo barja
 or
   --- klama mo'ine'i lo barja

The hard part is the participants.

I searched jbovlaste and could not find an Indian Chief, or even an American Indian or native american. I could make up a big tanru with leader+aboriginal+american or even condense it into a lujvo, but then I'd get something like ralmerliryraixa'u - leader+American+(early+superlative+dwell).  Surely there's something better.

Priest has a different word in every natural language, so I guess it needs its own word in lojban. But what xisjdaca'i? Christian religious leader? How did we get from a 5 letter word in English to this?

For Rabbi, every language uses a variation of the Hebrew original. The original is "rav" meaning master or teacher, but in most languages, even sometimes in Hebrew, people use a variation on "rabi" meaning "my rav" (very much like sensei in Japanese). So is it possible to just use rabi as a class-4 fu'ivla? Maybe only a class-3 fu'ivla. But what gismu should I add to "rabi"? It is a job, so maybe gunkrabi?  But a rabbi is also a teacher, so maybe ctucrabi?

Please let me know what you think

mi'e ioav

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