From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Nov 11 16:31:55 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:31:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L03eE-0002rD-HM for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:31:55 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.242]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L03eA-0002r2-C9 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:31:54 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so140144rvf.46 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:31:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=uaOfap9h4oNSTlI8mLhXRA8JoBPGJKJdTf/AFEEM6u8=; b=KEk0ZboToq+D+p7Ugpoh8nyD7hIGZ73elX9uu3EdDS6aICJGrJx4gPiV6kJXv5+3n3 DVRby2+qygr7JqFfL/TBtKJIBD64mfAIm9uMO8sjbDfZFDmzA9UaquNmnzhX0Hma3YFL gm8/v6REa0BfgnrnQTaqk+PdTLpB/vcAXbjhU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=SFC91zODWNOKLjWLUDQcthw0ASIE01JvGfjEfOIcwTsfIlToJKXji9Qa1/+tNMhXDI BJIvnJjNrlyN16hzi3dbDUQcEY8stQNZo76I+wwtyERC5IIc528IJIHtCAwIM0CiYEaH ktBXCZ0yWfUEw7Y/hEW49XC9lDWNUuBoD4hHw= Received: by 10.140.132.3 with SMTP id f3mr4564418rvd.234.1226449909385; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:31:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.194.15 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:31:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560811111631s588c211ds6a248e0a6b63cd69@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:31:49 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A priest, a rabbi and an Indian chief walk into a bar... In-Reply-To: <71550650811111530v3febc4a1t30b7f69427cdbde1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <71550650811111530v3febc4a1t30b7f69427cdbde1@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1004 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: > I searched jbovlaste and could not find an Indian Chief, or even an American > Indian or native american. I could make up a big tanru with > leader+aboriginal+american or even condense it into a lujvo, but then I'd > get something like ralmerliryraixa'u - > leader+American+(early+superlative+dwell). Surely there's something better. lo .indio ralju? I woudn't restrict it to merko indians though. > Priest has a different word in every natural language, so I guess it needs > its own word in lojban. But what xisjdaca'i? Christian religious leader? How > did we get from a 5 letter word in English to this? "Priest" can be more general than Chrstian priest. I would go with a tanru: lo xriso jdaca'i. > For Rabbi, every language uses a variation of the Hebrew original. The > original is "rav" meaning master or teacher, but in most languages, even > sometimes in Hebrew, people use a variation on "rabi" meaning "my rav" (very > much like sensei in Japanese). So is it possible to just use rabi as a > class-4 fu'ivla? Maybe only a class-3 fu'ivla. But what gismu should I add > to "rabi"? It is a job, so maybe gunkrabi? But a rabbi is also a teacher, > so maybe ctucrabi? gunkrabi and ctucrabi are both lujvo: gun-krabi, ctu-crabi, even though krabi and crabi are not actual gismu they are of gismu form. The type-3 fuhivla always require an r-hyphen (which in this case becomes an n-hyphen): gunknrabi and ctucnrabi. Or, if you use the gun- rafsi, you need the l-hyphen: gunlrabi. Or you could use lo xebro jdaca'i. mu'o mi'e xorxes