From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Nov 11 22:12:05 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L08xR-0005Dk-7y for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:12:05 -0800 Received: from col0-omc4-s12.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.214]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L08xM-0005DI-La for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:12:05 -0800 Received: from COL102-W80 ([65.55.34.199]) by col0-omc4-s12.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:11:53 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_bb0c0e5a-5d41-4f2d-b75d-eb3bde45a2d1_" X-Originating-IP: [67.174.107.126] From: M CHILDS To: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: software question Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:11:54 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <737b61f30811111705h48a12fbbh1a197a70c765e0ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <71550650811111530v3febc4a1t30b7f69427cdbde1@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560811111631s588c211ds6a248e0a6b63cd69@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30811111705h48a12fbbh1a197a70c765e0ab@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2008 06:11:53.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F1F9920:01C9448D] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1010 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: m_chi919@msn.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --_bb0c0e5a-5d41-4f2d-b75d-eb3bde45a2d1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike Zink explained it better than I did=2C that the idea is to provide an = effective tutorial for implicit learning by using images and movies/animati= ons=2C but also like parallel2 with text and audio. It would combine this w= ith explicit learning=2C but hopefully in a more visual form. I placed a query on the main list about this per your comment. I'm seeing i= t as something that could expand along with the community by allowing peopl= e to create modules which would be simple enough for non-programmers to cre= ate (a module would consist of text files=2C images=2C movies=2C and it wou= ld have to conform to the "allowed sub modules" of modules=2C such as 'flas= h card game'=2C 'memory game'=2C 'picture to word match'=2C 'flash image an= d text'=2C 'tutorial'=2C etc). I was planning on using java=2C hoping to ma= ke it cross platform=2C and since I have the most experience in it. I'd lik= e to leverage a lot of what is already out there - text to speech would com= plement the module concept=2C parallel2=2C flash cards=2C image to word map= s=2C and on. The only reason I don't want to take this on myself is because I need someo= ne who understands the language very well. I get the feeling everyone is ti= ed up. I'll start a sourceforge project in the meantime. Michael > Date: Tue=2C 11 Nov 2008 19:05:58 -0600 > From: pdf23ds@gmail.com > To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org > Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: software question >=20 > On Tue=2C Nov 11=2C 2008 at 19:00=2C M CHILDS wrote: > > I feel a little lost/without grounding trying to learn the language fro= m the > > documents available=2C and I haven't seen any software that I feel comf= ortable > > using. Is there software similar to Rosetta Stone for Lojban? If so=2C = is it > > free? > > > > If not=2C where can I offer to create such an application=2C as I would= need > > someone who knows the language well to create the conceptual piece whil= e I > > can develop the application? >=20 > This query might be a bit more appropriate on the main list. >=20 > The main software being used currently is jboski/jbofi'e for > translation=2C and Supermemo or other flash card programs for memorizing > vocabulary. I'm not too familiar with Rosetta stone=2C so I couldn't > tell you how they differ. I'm currently working on an application > similar to jboski=2C but more Web 2.0ish=2C and based on Robin Lee > Powell's work on the camxes parser. It will try to offer integrated > parsing and word lookup=2C and eventually possibly even lessons. It's > called Lojgloss and written in C#. Source is available using Bazaar at > http://pdf23ds.net/bzr. You can google all those others=2C I'm sure. >=20 > Chris Capel > --=20 > "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it > like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" > -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter=2C Dennet) >=20 >=20 >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile phone with Windows= Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/= --_bb0c0e5a-5d41-4f2d-b75d-eb3bde45a2d1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike Zink explained it better than I did=2C that the idea is to provide an = effective tutorial for implicit learning by using images and movies/animati= ons=2C but also like parallel2 with text and audio. It would combine this w= ith explicit learning=2C but hopefully in a more visual form.

I plac= ed a query on the main list about this per your comment. I'm seeing it as s= omething that could expand along with the community by allowing people to c= reate modules which would be simple enough for non-programmers to create (a= module would consist of text files=2C images=2C movies=2C and it would hav= e to conform to the "allowed sub modules" of modules=2C such as 'flash card= game'=2C 'memory game'=2C 'picture to word match'=2C 'flash image and text= '=2C 'tutorial'=2C etc). I was planning on using java=2C hoping to make it = cross platform=2C and since I have the most experience in it. I'd like to l= everage a lot of what is already out there - text to speech would complemen= t the module concept=2C parallel2=2C flash cards=2C image to word maps=2C a= nd on.

The only reason I don't want to take this on myself is becaus= e I need someone who understands the language very well. I get the feeling = everyone is tied up. I'll start a sourceforge project in the meantime.
<= br>
Michael




>=3B Date: Tue=2C 11 Nov 2008 19:05:58 -= 0600
>=3B From: pdf23ds@gmail.com
>=3B To: lojban-beginners@lojba= n.org
>=3B Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: software question
>=3B=
>=3B On Tue=2C Nov 11=2C 2008 at 19:00=2C M CHILDS <=3Bm_chi919@ms= n.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B >=3B I feel a little lost/without grounding = trying to learn the language from the
>=3B >=3B documents available= =2C and I haven't seen any software that I feel comfortable
>=3B >= =3B using. Is there software similar to Rosetta Stone for Lojban? If so=2C = is it
>=3B >=3B free?
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B If not=2C wh= ere can I offer to create such an application=2C as I would need
>=3B = >=3B someone who knows the language well to create the conceptual piece w= hile I
>=3B >=3B can develop the application?
>=3B
>=3B T= his query might be a bit more appropriate on the main list.
>=3B
&= gt=3B The main software being used currently is jboski/jbofi'e for
>= =3B translation=2C and Supermemo or other flash card programs for memorizin= g
>=3B vocabulary. I'm not too familiar with Rosetta stone=2C so I cou= ldn't
>=3B tell you how they differ. I'm currently working on an appli= cation
>=3B similar to jboski=2C but more Web 2.0ish=2C and based on R= obin Lee
>=3B Powell's work on the camxes parser. It will try to offer= integrated
>=3B parsing and word lookup=2C and eventually possibly ev= en lessons. It's
>=3B called Lojgloss and written in C#. Source is ava= ilable using Bazaar at
>=3B http://pdf23ds.net/bzr. You can google all= those others=2C I'm sure.
>=3B
>=3B Chris Capel
>=3B -- >=3B "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What i= s it
>=3B like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batte= d bee?"
>=3B -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter=2C Dennet)
>=3B
>= =3B
>=3B

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