From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Nov 12 05:58:34 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L0GEs-0004Q9-Se for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:58:34 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.240]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L0GEo-0004Q0-OL for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:58:34 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so416351rvf.46 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:58:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=nDCfF8A420QUMb/iC2r0lWUtdXPqOsVlbL5WbHzNREA=; b=spCkfmfuUYIAkmZALPlDVv7eJD8SZdPfPWqQHPTPQXuhOeBaVlSv6Mxp9l13sPZlYX 6tPW7XTdC8n7zq3umuH40yiPcex3A4CBvwkn7KbP4QaPpz4fNha5+P2DMyXT9hS2wzy8 GUWaadpDI1yvJa7JQde0gTv68S6Y62HHru+PQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=TIdDl1pQ4ETHAQvJSbkyyMs0pWW9/fZE7vBjIncdOlGjl2OeCzBfQZQt+gdW6u5PjJ yFrHxGMuNGG4YR9Egx30kQDU5vM4GkELKrR37oMAzVX48JnsQDFnBRVFWkAPIun40fif 0xVwqHJxyKDrQhK2IQJCwbC1mU/atqw9OUjC0= Received: by 10.141.44.13 with SMTP id w13mr4907031rvj.176.1226498309631; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:58:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.194.15 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:58:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560811120558j4ef3e16ek5548782f2d3afc8d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:58:29 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A priest, a rabbi and an Indian chief walk into a bar... In-Reply-To: <71550650811120359h58c9d0bet534e81c46f07fa01@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <71550650811111530v3febc4a1t30b7f69427cdbde1@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560811111631s588c211ds6a248e0a6b63cd69@mail.gmail.com> <71550650811120359h58c9d0bet534e81c46f07fa01@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1015 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: > > I don't like xebro jdaca'i because it's rabi in all natural languages, and I > believe that when the word is similar in most natural languages (like > spaghetti or curry) it should be imported as a fu'ivla. No reason for lojban > to be the single language where a rabbi is not called a rabi. We could have a specialized word for rabbi and still use lo xebro jdaca'i, or even plain lo jdaca'i when it's not necessary to be so specific. In this particular case, it seems enough to contrast lo xriso jdaca'i with lo xebro jdaca'i. > Unfortunately, I understand that I can't use "rabi" as a type-4 fu'ivla > because it falls apart "the think we mentioned before + 8". Right. You need a consonant cluster to hold it together. You could try "rabvi" or "ravbi" if you don't mind unofficial gismu. > I could do a .gy rabi .gy (or is it .xy rabi .xy?) "la'o xy. rabi .xy". (Or any other Lojban word instead of "xy", except for "ra" or "bi" in this case.) Or "la'oi .rabi." using the unofficial "la'oi". > Shouldn't there be a single way to say things like this. It looks like I > need to invent a word whenever I write even a simple sentence. Yes, Lojban is still very incomplete vocabulary-wise. mu'o mi'e xorxes