From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Nov 13 14:57:43 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L0l8B-00048a-Rr for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:57:43 -0800 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.156]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L0l83-00048K-DY for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:57:43 -0800 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so1040191fga.0 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:57:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=mlmcqQt13KW+RM+vPX05ENfQNu/QlLYoGPs1spR2kwk=; b=XW81CBlfgq+TdWllBVFUzZOd02ik92o3/2Mc361EZG1pnSEyHtnFfCzmy4700X1fDp 24lexh+bqL/tkzpLz1mBr1Kb6QRisqWM8dApKHO1eMFI7p53uyH5q+u5zQWhkG5ldLGn L6N5upSbWWWHbw/Lo8HsDGlBxWwsfROIuiaN4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=W09jkwH9prKHZI92USvMrPK2VTyUUvvunBvKRkv2KRgy0p5u4vqnvR0db5O4h83ANq xdzSMSv3ptJ7Y24OaQLyvrtejMTOOJpl3JKxdOrX08DD7PumJKEYg2ibVowxoTkZu0QM XM6qQYb/IMBQ97DGWaiBvWn6AoVl+lvBN5oKk= Received: by 10.187.190.6 with SMTP id s6mr38190fap.29.1226617051747; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:57:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.187.190.8 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:57:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <12d58c160811131457p29d971f5y197e6909fdf79426@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:57:31 -0500 From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: And more le and lo In-Reply-To: <143833.47569.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_31886_5858929.1226617051742" References: <702226df0811130806h51c83c15k17acd2c5d2b6c45c@mail.gmail.com> <143833.47569.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8531ac8ae5986b47 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1038 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_31886_5858929.1226617051742 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Tom Gysel wrote: > Since 'le' carries the requirement of having a specific thing in mind, and > 'lo' has to refer to something which really fits the description, which > gadri (or any other solution) would we use for ' a dog' in the sentence: ' a > dog attacked me last night'? (bearing in mind that it was dark and so maybe > it was a dog, or a wolf, or any other doglike creature.) This might be a good time to point out that {gerku} is not limited to Canis lupus familiaris, but rather refers generally to canines. So you wouldn't necessarily need to qualify any further in this instance. That being said, something like {lo gerku la'a sai ca lo prulamcte cu gunta mi} would probably do the trick. Then again, the better option might be {le gerku ...}, because you are describing it as a dog, and are not 100% certain. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan ------=_Part_31886_5858929.1226617051742 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Tom Gysel <to_mu1975@yahoo.com> wrote:
Since 'le' carries the requirement of having a specific thing in mind, and 'lo' has to refer to something which really fits the description, which gadri (or any other solution) would we use for ' a dog' in the sentence: ' a dog attacked me last night'? (bearing in mind that it was dark and so maybe it was a dog, or a wolf, or any other doglike creature.)

This might be a good time to point out that {gerku} is not limited to Canis lupus familiaris, but rather refers generally to canines. So you wouldn't necessarily need to qualify any further in this instance. That being said, something like {lo gerku la'a sai ca lo prulamcte cu gunta mi} would probably do the trick. Then again, the better option might be {le gerku ...}, because you are describing it as a dog, and are not 100% certain.

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan

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