From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Nov 14 05:06:35 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:06:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L0yNf-0002uu-Mv for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:06:35 -0800 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.121]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L0yNc-0002uZ-48 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:06:35 -0800 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081114130625.GTIT22035.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@chausie> for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:06:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469272F8F for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:06:24 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: And more le and lo Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:06:15 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <445000.52053.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <445000.52053.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811140806.17192.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1043 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Friday 14 November 2008 01:06:27 Tom Gysel wrote: > it should be > "le". Why? Because it is a particular thing you you have in mind, > namely, "that thing which attacked me".Yes I thought of that too. > But is 'a dog' really specific? Let's say the story continues: "A dog > attacked me last night. It was near the bridge. The dog jumped on me." When > I say: 'the dog jumped on me', now it means that i'm referring to a > particular dog, the dog which i introduced two sentences before. > > What's the difference? le bi'u gerku cu gunta mi ca le prulamcte .i ra jibni le cripu .i le gerku cu plipe mi or lo gerku cu gunta mi ca le prulamcte .i ra jibni le cripu .i lo bi'unai gerku cu plipe mi mu'omi'e .pier.