From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Nov 28 12:03:46 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:03:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L69Z4-00061G-7y for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:03:46 -0800 Received: from web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.200.107]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L69Yy-00060i-6t for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:03:46 -0800 Received: (qmail 64746 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2008 20:03:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=poQeTPFy4V8uOzSqWl5JToflL83mhe75j5Q71ZM+I3L7K4/JkjfkRfYZUkyzMmpkFMKDYBv5mi6vHBsv/RiYLXtv3sCtoeU9/b3p3U+SpsHR1RTw9qIHkDZGVCNP+ixY5ASC73DFC+4P1q7a16ZL8Mx++4i6YeVXsxN6GRDZZEI=; X-YMail-OSG: .u5oGtUVM1n_FRxuxRDxzzMImPL4NV3LhGXSgDJXSl2MROyvrgb8oo1kwlC4Wqjq0Bvud5sq0Au3NBrJqCinX6gbmdz1TLb3r9mCxdQW7Smux2O3xkIZ_6B_PUsp8pNwL4AFfKQg4jIc1a.p97ZNe7mPT4Uuc_cr7oIf8z0oM2r94Zr3mcKnOjEINvKA Received: from [84.195.57.189] by web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:03:31 PST Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:03:31 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gysel Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: cmavo To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <96f789a60811251255g21398371xa84cc01756b321d7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-369548701-1227902611=:64055" Message-ID: <745159.64055.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1064 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: to_mu1975@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-369548701-1227902611=:64055 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thank you gejyspa, that's what I wanted. And that was indeed not exactly what you said, xorxes. Sorry. And thank you for your help. Tom. --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Michael Turniansky wrote: From: Michael Turniansky Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: cmavo To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:55 PM On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Tom Gysel wrote: > > Thank you Xorxes. > > That was exactly what I wanted to know. > > > So the BAI cmavo are almost never used? OK, won't bother with memorizing > them. Actually, that's not what he said. he said "most" of them are never used. And that's probably true. However, there are many that are quite useful, and many that while xorxes doesn't use, many other people (i.e. me) do. > I do want to memorize the most frequently used cmavo, I'm currently working > with the lojban text of 'The Prophet' by Kahlil Gibran and translated by > Matt Arnold, and in almost every sentence there's a CV'V cmavo (not even > counting the basic "ko'a") > I would be interested to know which CV'V cmavo (and other cmavo) are most > used in this particular text and/or in general in lojban text/speech. A great list that is sorted in frequency of use order (both gismu and cmavo, though) is located here: http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/lojban/flashcards/big_list --gejyspa --0-369548701-1227902611=:64055 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Thank you gejyspa, that's what I wanted.
And that was indeed not exactly what you said, xorxes. Sorry. And thank you for your help.
Tom.
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: cmavo
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:55 PM

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Tom Gysel <to_mu1975@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you Xorxes.
>
> That was exactly what I wanted to know.
>
>
> So the BAI cmavo are almost never used? OK, won't bother with
memorizing
> them.

  Actually, that's not what he said.  he said "most"
 of them are
never
used.  And that's probably true.  However, there are many that are
quite useful, and many that while xorxes doesn't use, many other
people (i.e. me) do.


> I do want to memorize the most frequently used cmavo, I'm currently
working
> with the lojban text of 'The Prophet' by Kahlil Gibran and
translated by
> Matt Arnold, and in almost every sentence there's a CV'V cmavo
(not even
> counting the basic "ko'a")
> I would be interested to know which CV'V cmavo (and other cmavo) are
most
> used in this particular text and/or in general in lojban text/speech.

  A great list that is sorted in frequency of use order (both gismu
and cmavo, though) is located here:
http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/lojban/flashcards/big_list

               --gejyspa




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