From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Nov 28 14:28:42 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L6BpK-00027F-B5 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:28:42 -0800 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L6BpH-00026W-Hm for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:28:42 -0800 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081128222831.BXTT25405.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@chausie> for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:28:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6CF60F9 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:28:29 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: cmavo Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:28:17 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <816229.45720.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <816229.45720.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811281728.20189.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1067 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Friday 28 November 2008 15:32:48 Tom Gysel wrote: > Is it that addictive? :) > > Don't worry, with the little time I'm having and at the pace I'm learning, > I'll have my hands full on the first 25% for a while to come :) I'm still a > very beginning beginner > > e.g.: could someone help me with: > .i ko'a pu denpa le sexruti bloti le tcadu le pu'u bevri ko'a le daplu > i don't understand the structure of this sentence. > shouldn't there be a 'be' in front of 'tcadu'? > confused with sumti places The selbri (the main verb) is "denpa", whose arguments are: the one who waits: ko'a the thing waited for: le bloti the place one stays while waiting: le tcadu the thing that will happen after the wait is over: le pu'u bevri. If you said "le se xruti bloti be le tcadu", that would mean "the ship is returned carrying the city". Ships don't carry cities. The sentence means "He waited in the city for the boat to return to take him to the island." ("xruti" is passive because the boat is returned by its crew, who are not mentioned.) Pierre