From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Nov 06 18:32:22 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:32:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KyH94-0001Gl-4F for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:32:22 -0800 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.122]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KyH8z-0001GZ-VU for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:32:22 -0800 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081107023211.FPNX22492.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@chausie> for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:32:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6092E3E for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:32:09 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: consonant diphthongs Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:31:38 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <5715b9300811061107s10620b1fq6564c03712beda7d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5715b9300811061107s10620b1fq6564c03712beda7d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811062131.40975.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 995 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thursday 06 November 2008 14:07:16 Luke Bergen wrote: > I think I remember reading that the official word on consonant diphthongs > do not exist in lojban but I have a question about one consonant > combination. > > in the word "djica" (desire), how would you pronounce that first part? I > can't seem to make the two consonants really separate without inserting an > "y" type sound between them. Otherwise it ends up sounding kind of like > the "dg" in "judge". Is this ok? It's quite fine to pronounce "dj" as one sound, as there is no distinction in Lojban between a cluster of the two sounds and an affricate. Similarly "tc", "ts", "dz", "pf", and "bv". ("kx" does not occur in Lojban.) One language that does make such a difference is Polish, which has the minimal pair "trzysta" (three hundred, Russian триста) and "czyzta" (clean, Russian чиста). I also pronounce "xr", but not "rx", as a single sound. It's a voiceless simultaneous tongue tip and uvular trill. "le xruki le ginxre xu xrula cu xrani?" mu'omi'e .pier.