From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Dec 11 15:20:51 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:20:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAupv-00050l-8t for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:20:51 -0800 Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.134.187]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAupo-0004zZ-7a for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:20:51 -0800 Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so736377mue.6 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:20:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=LQ6zhUoXZGNFplBsu46fTXEIf1nOBCu+XLRRSFYRPhE=; b=QoDcSkRJCu0DQ+h0mB55utC3vur/GDVJMWYnZMFAnJGYLDLpaHzEBEDAfXcEq+Hs5i 216Nlel+hqITwjMXlh6T3tcESkqxgcxxeEkhg6xFVUG0je4x30L8WEh94qhmg6gNeG80 knak49eeWrLpLHXQ6ESq5JeKDb+EnPSMY7RAY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=jM/+HHLf+anCHk7uwywgFm2d8SMUtvpYCyugzeuwuVZlCZ7EBT/+GtXK2toSB3wF6a +dDys6+TY7EV+wwZ2DyoZ4rfy9aBUAzurlS8joF+RcgOqZ+9i9L28u0KQWI/KboxWXup 5Aqc2wNztSYO7MjfzYQ4S54dKtzf332+1/57E= Received: by 10.103.52.7 with SMTP id e7mr1627713muk.52.1229037642433; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.134.16 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:20:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <467245c20812111520p4b9512aex50717c3379f27f1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:20:42 +0000 From: pyrosim To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: attitudinals question In-Reply-To: <467245c20812111515j4ac4338fs3b4f8ca43fc2c1f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5715b9300812111452h2771b99cnffea157a0484adfb@mail.gmail.com> <467245c20812111515j4ac4338fs3b4f8ca43fc2c1f@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1083 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pyrosim@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners My naive thought would be that the .ui would bond to the whole sentence and the xu would bond to the do, leaving \"How do you feel about yourself? :)\" I think the sentence you are looking for is \"xu .ui dai\". Attitudinals are usually attributed to the speaker, unless otherwise specified (using dai). That sentence doesn\'t have a selbri, but I believe it is a valid utterance nonetheless. I could be wrong though. -Dylan On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > > Is it legitimate to use attitudinals as regular words? ie. is the following lojban sentence acceptable? > > xu do .ui > > or does this just mean \"are you \"? > > - Luke Bergen