From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Dec 16 04:41:14 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:41:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCZEd-00062E-Cm for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:41:13 -0800 Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.156]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCZEO-0005zX-GC for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:41:11 -0800 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so1330069yxp.46 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:40:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=zehiabU3zKVNiI57JbWjF6WSpY1TzJ+ljmP5hHw+7Vs=; b=jh5iL2Z37hHX8sjVlKObI6/FXnZYZVvOHm3xCjLvcFEkxTwntOLtMj9+vJM33j11x/ REeAH9x5/pb3yE51QzO0NikdvsHYxnebHugNab+rqFHurCnkcodNNc57dzjkLQjwi8LC aJnpSE09FT6R0bkBdM+amY1vw4xqw+UrYMnfY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=D+LdsFFZnzi8WxHxzDza+mnpm9hcveTixjrGSwL+ODOZ5dPIqNMtT19KBLtmPX+K8H 9/zsLmHeBdhcEENFuQVf7XeKVOlhApI7cZQ+Gfo/ik77QFRGbCJ4bRFAscsJC9NnSFEQ EvH3PXunheOWBGF9N7qZ7GFU+aBzvUfbGyzO4= Received: by 10.150.230.15 with SMTP id c15mr14674155ybh.164.1229431249535; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.12.3 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:40:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <71550650812160440q75b6e147p31d2ea07c04cbfe5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:40:49 +0200 From: "Yoav Nir" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: About the negators In-Reply-To: <70697fa40812152124u39a177a2hc52d604e9a30e469@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_46_16102479.1229431249501" References: <70697fa40812152124u39a177a2hc52d604e9a30e469@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1098 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: yoav.nir@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_46_16102479.1229431249501 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline For the first question: yes. For the second: {na} contradicts the entire bridi, while {na'e} contradicts only the selbri. {mi *na* nelci ro gerku} = it is not true that I like all dogs. {mi *na'e* nelci ro gerku} = I other-than-like all dogs. In the second case, it says that you have some relation to all dogs, but {nelci} isn't it. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 7:24 AM, J Y wrote: > i have just known that {xu} may be attached to a single word in one > sentence , then i want to know , what about the negator {na} ? > And , could you tell me the difference between {na} and {na'e} ? They > look the same when using . > ------=_Part_46_16102479.1229431249501 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
For the first question: yes.

For the second: {na} contradicts the entire bridi, while {na'e} contradicts only the selbri. {mi na nelci ro gerku} = it is not true that I like all dogs.  {mi na'e nelci ro gerku} = I other-than-like all dogs.

In the second case, it says that you have some relation to all dogs, but {nelci} isn't it. 


On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 7:24 AM, J Y <kkm2019@gmail.com> wrote:
i have just known that {xu}  may be attached to a single word in one sentence , then i want to know , what about the negator {na} ?
And , could you tell me  the difference between  {na} and {na'e} ? They look the same when using .

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