From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Dec 16 09:08:45 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:08:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCdPZ-0005rb-K3 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:08:45 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.246]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCdPW-0005qT-Or for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:08:45 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so4195339rvf.46 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:08:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=0m6fIUfA4+TodQD+Su1vFcokQ70iCefGzU2moef+53c=; b=fPxggzIUkY+nLh6c81TiqUSeIc8dS1DDpTBIs8lxJc2c3RT4wjcQkrDyx475JzLIy1 BCdf2ZKTJJT/ENrNiDjWfwsCcWDqL5ps6kxO5r4zxtDfZakd56RgX4KWrlwixe1658ev TCa4U6d2hhRkrEubl2ZMrM7LEgRu01pRZ6FJk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=cxyoSEXyZM0Zeoaszw/SUAwRl93oGNgRV0a5M9djM7vRnf6NoAgo4M6Ygt3Wj7gwwc Q1adH8EGhvQdS9vnYlbbInF24jHSZutUFY2VGQaYiVE2rLfzPbAbwQFu5ILXjieKczbE vH4ZPTYhRt6R3iDrtSLkpZ0MCv3iyGEK4VIPY= Received: by 10.141.197.14 with SMTP id z14mr4414523rvp.203.1229447322030; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:08:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.194.15 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:08:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560812160908j49f6d818y1fdcdf21bfddfb28@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:08:41 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: About the negators In-Reply-To: <4de8c3930812160833p428f5b5u5b97bd1221a44afb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <70697fa40812152124u39a177a2hc52d604e9a30e469@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560812160558o380d40e8le1e6e6b766e26b14@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930812160833p428f5b5u5b97bd1221a44afb@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1101 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:33 PM, paskal. kos wrote: > 2008/12/16 Jorge Llambías : >> ta na (sutra citka ro badna) >> That one did not quickly eat all bananas. > > "ta" isn't included? It depends who you ask. If you ask me, no. In fact, with "ta" it makes very little or no difference but if there was a quantifier then it would make a difference. Consider this sentence to see why I don't think {na} can scope backwards: su'o da na renro lo cutci gi'e karnypre Someone (doesn't throw a shoe) and (is a journalist). {na} can't have scope over {su'o} there without making a big mess with {gi'e}. mu'o mi'e xorxes