From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Dec 25 22:03:58 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:03:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LG5ni-0005iC-Ag for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:03:58 -0800 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.174]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LG5ne-0005hc-N3 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:03:58 -0800 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so3947285wfa.25 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:03:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=lawTbtHH0neUbGuvjg/KRULUnD5OGjRDyUKK4FajOzM=; b=aqAVP+8J0KINNqfICbkr4PGkZZrlJ+i+q9Nlr74QTXQX7ENp8/rJKC734Ea8FLhqwi Bl9pVjuO4HJH4pNA3gl3ySTyOvtufRS2nufKBma1WjqdSlDyl3RyC+sgHi49kvNBvlXg d/iUq+bwzZbOYo46gX6612B/dmgJ4bx4+f9gU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=gf9+KVStRFRXuF5EhKmm3wQPRtNoa2y/RzgJ0J5S3Huu7deSpNii2usUld1WeSIbmf fj25WE/uBU8aoFuB6KgbhS+fwgnwDVWvwzMUjRFpt5bc7MCdWKjuS4iXatuBEyQCiuP3 5tOK2xMv1iHVfVn0ruoy0WlEbSd91MTgCyeAk= Received: by 10.143.32.7 with SMTP id k7mr4294476wfj.162.1230271433928; Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:03:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.186.19 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:03:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <702226df0812252203m5bdcea2cr535ff26ab5ac8377@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 00:03:53 +1800 From: "Jon \"Top Hat\" Jones" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Complex Selbri In-Reply-To: <20081226012726.GC7051@sdf.lonestar.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_123861_27297878.1230271433922" References: <49542F12.4040908@synx.us.to> <20081226012726.GC7051@sdf.lonestar.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 2 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1112 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_123861_27297878.1230271433922 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Minimiscience wrote: > de'i li 25 pi'e 12 pi'e 2008 la'o fy. synx13+lojban@gmail.com.fy. cusku zoi > skamyxatra. > > I've browsed a number of tutorials, but can't seem to find how to do > > this. How would I say "a friend of mine" or "my friends" as a sumti? I > > can say (lo prenu pendo mi) and (lo pendo) but I don't think I'm doing > > it right when I say (lo pendo mi). Specifying "A x1, for which x2 is > > this, x3 is that, etc" is something I'm not sure how to do, since I only > > learned out how to parse it if the cmavo applies to a selbri alone, not > > a whole bridi. All the examples that I can find use just (lo ) > .skamyxatra > > Firstly, in "{lo prenu pendo mi}", the "{prenu pendo}" merge into a single > {selbri}; they must be separated with "{cu}" (or "{ku}", but no one does > that > for style reasons). > > Anyway, the way to fill the places of a {selbri} within a {sumti} is with > "internal {sumti}." Prefix the first internal {sumti} with "{be}", any > subsequent internal {sumti} with "{bei}", and terminate the list (if > necessary) > with "{be'o}". For example, "a friend of mine" would be "{lo pendo be > mi}", > and "the one who goes to the store from home" would be "{lo klama be lo > zarci > bei lo zdani}" (among other possible translations). > > mu'omi'e la'o gy. Minimiscience .gy. > > -- > no zo mi nenri zo bende > > > > What about the possession cmavo? I would think {lo pendo pe mi} or possibly {lo pendo po mi} would be just as appropriate. -- mu'o mi'e .topy'at. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu ------=_Part_123861_27297878.1230271433922 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Minimiscience <minimiscience@gmail.com> wrote:
de'i li 25 pi'e 12 pi'e 2008 la'o fy. synx13+lojban@gmail.com .fy. cusku zoi
skamyxatra.
> I've browsed a number of tutorials, but can't seem to find how to do
> this.  How would I say "a friend of mine" or "my friends" as a sumti? I
> can say (lo prenu pendo mi) and (lo pendo) but I don't think I'm doing
> it right when I say (lo pendo mi). Specifying "A x1, for which x2 is
> this, x3 is that, etc" is something I'm not sure how to do, since I only
> learned out how to parse it if the cmavo applies to a selbri alone, not
> a whole bridi. All the examples that I can find use just (lo <selbri>)
.skamyxatra

Firstly, in "{lo prenu pendo mi}", the "{prenu pendo}" merge into a single
{selbri}; they must be separated with "{cu}" (or "{ku}", but no one does that
for style reasons).

Anyway, the way to fill the places of a {selbri} within a {sumti} is with
"internal {sumti}."  Prefix the first internal {sumti} with "{be}", any
subsequent internal {sumti} with "{bei}", and terminate the list (if necessary)
with "{be'o}".  For example, "a friend of mine" would be "{lo pendo be mi}",
and "the one who goes to the store from home" would be "{lo klama be lo zarci
bei lo zdani}" (among other possible translations).

mu'omi'e la'o gy. Minimiscience .gy.

--
no zo mi nenri zo bende



What about the possession cmavo? I would think {lo pendo pe mi} or possibly {lo pendo po mi} would be just as appropriate.


--
mu'o mi'e .topy'at.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
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