From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Dec 27 07:18:24 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LGavo-0008C4-E2 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:18:24 -0800 Received: from mail-bw0-f12.google.com ([209.85.218.12]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LGavl-0008Aq-Gq for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:18:24 -0800 Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so4598746bwz.10 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:18:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=yaAUL+VjPPB+R95+vS8zJTZUBXjl2MubSlf/MbEXfWQ=; b=oPd6wpHO6rcEb5W+aXH19/YYd19YpfdedzgagTshbtawh++G1vxY88axJfGpGwSF5c LAyDIuxPZZLTaII9/WxovnYd8FgWc06EpdjtceDRUUyBIiZe8JXd8jPaE6qJ36wD5n93 Tx30J8m103kUHDctVHjio5IpmMnC0zlrssYfI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=DiL6pT3cGSpbI8TUfe2gzND7qwqtXE8wR193JpQTb6pGMjaiVs8/DgzEsPp7X/Ejeu xHZRtY7hJxnfgv7f8FQjlInP9U/U1WnX2d31CniugAkpsDCJlHjKMGKN37UaeD2PqzNm 3ED9tqGgzUebR5CuogbdBCGrlkz6cpqkQFdG8= Received: by 10.102.218.5 with SMTP id q5mr4234296mug.99.1230391094429; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:18:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.227.8 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:18:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4de8c3930812270718u64d25defqcd04d3444a365a42@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:18:14 +0100 From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Could you give some examples In-Reply-To: <70697fa40812270637j7c6ed1a8je0b4bfc0959c0c00@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <70697fa40812270511r69350a23p124010f3e7db86ea@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930812270543k646e07e8x85594debab90cdca@mail.gmail.com> <70697fa40812270637j7c6ed1a8je0b4bfc0959c0c00@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8023a9bd032e8f34 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1119 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2008/12/27 J Y : >> >> lo zarci cu binxo lo briju >> >> lo zarci cu cenba lo ka kumfa ce'u >> >> mi galfi lo zarci lo briju >> >> mi jai stika lo ka lo zarci cu kumfa ce'u >> >> lo zarci cu zasni lo ka kumfa ce'u kei mi > > > Oh can you give their meanings ? This is my attempt as a non-native English speaker: lo zarci cu binxo lo briju a shop becomes an office lo zarci cu cenba lo ka kumfa ce'u a shop changes in its quality as a divisional structure (implication: so that it becomes an office) mi [jai] galfi lo zarci lo briju I turn a shop into an office mi jai stika lo ka lo zarci cu kumfa ce'u I adjust the way in which a shop is a divisional structure (implication: so that it can function as an office) lo zarci cu zasni lo ka kumfa ce'u kei mi a shop is not permanent in its quality as a divisioanl structure, so I expect (implication: it may be turned into an office) > And i see these selbri have more than one place , such as "condition" > "amount" "degree" "standard" .... What are those ? I can think of this example: so'e prenu cu cenba lo ka xalni lo ni so'i lo za'i morsi jibni most people get to panic to a great degree in the face of death (Those "condition" places are safely forgettable since we have a more practical substitute for it: "va'o".) > { mi galfi } seems have to be { mi jai galfi } You're right. mu'o mi'e tijlan