From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Dec 31 00:34:47 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:34:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LHwXP-0003pa-E9 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:34:47 -0800 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.186]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LHwXN-0003pB-7f for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:34:47 -0800 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 30so677665nfu.46 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:34:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=G9BHaBtp3vICZv14toQn7huT6kPCQMPfv1gVGCcr4QY=; b=EON8iGx/NRWTrGpG6vNskLeBPblcCRaZVAirYDZ455+u1lhXF4f2wSqe9HCvJ+l4HK ygrdIRZ/JJEOMHNK4oxTu42ApmVSUWpXtRAZN38aOH18cugpg54EAy4zLdIZBoehsx1q XWa8SSA66TrzKk9Crjo7LJBWv9nCOnbfbntgI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=LUwi8FrSZNwy1bswvXPzYAzebVgLZdb6NPzOe9ECIfxtv/VBrE+bRP6jQMdoVOk8HI x6XiiI2sTrizTyBeLLUzTgnb0ye1myZLSU6D2CNLjbO66LQG9vkoZWRfiFtRkFGrqolC 4Qivs4ro/pz535L0MwKSWTbTAccjOuWGOZ1v4= Received: by 10.210.28.4 with SMTP id b4mr4518026ebb.64.1230712483521; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:34:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.135.20 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:34:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5a3750120812310034g55b25657pd5b95d2cc52cc7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:34:43 +0200 From: "Oleksii Melnyk" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] weirder modal connections MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1131 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lamelnyk@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners coi certu su ta'o zo'o pe'i zo coi na drani le ka te rinsa kei le nu zo'e gubni benji vo'a i mi facki fi le zmadu drani rinsa be'enai certu ta'onai Is there The Way to make a modal bridi connection with the first bridi on non-x2 place of unconverted modal? CLL describes the way to swap x1 with something, but how can we swap out x2. For example to say: zo'e basna le nu "feature" kei lenu "action" kei in a bit more friendly way, like "action taken place" .i "emphasizing feature" we need to get basna's x3 into x2 place and x2 into x1 So far i've found 2 possibilities: 1. converting selbri twice (... fi'o se te basna ...) -- which, imho, would make the text uncomprehensible for human 2. "masking" all but 2 needed places (fi'o se basna be zi'o) -- not sure, how it works for more distant places, "lot" of "bei zi'o"s would not make things prettier. So, have i missed "true" way, and which one is better?