From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jan 02 08:11:53 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 02 Jan 2009 08:11:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LImcr-0000iV-3K for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 08:11:53 -0800 Received: from mail-gx0-f11.google.com ([209.85.217.11]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LImcn-0000h6-C4 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 08:11:52 -0800 Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so7738446gxk.10 for ; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 08:11:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=nGupD37N90Qkzf2fbxF2lrOarL6vim9zX/rOS6G+zG4=; b=Wf7uMHvFBNgOmAzF7AyBh3GXDBz/ltkk720yq99jZsMCMReqWChoj8zq6/YjGWVc+f zJKEPUaNPH5U/H8q26FAv+rPLNa7RPfTFBKnQaesvx32FW4YT/e2DEtJ57yfQ7MH5KpF 3K4rlHhuZoLtSNio97gaHfNl+72nw5fL+fXEg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=CqNxt+6yZA+jSo54lV3aX23WUMiZaGgdQhcdCiGNYKQtV8MLbc3jt0l01bZ+emTljK HAShvG0dFjH88tZQsUvfyJ2K5GRPkrcmaq5T01x/EKsaBvhoHSDLfrDYHoLq0ivhdkqC LmbjmYMRXJ6wasLdQmU6wEi9JT9CJnJ5J9U0Q= Received: by 10.151.143.3 with SMTP id v3mr29755386ybn.109.1230912702834; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 08:11:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.8.19 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:11:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5715b9300901020811l2f68cb0bka08ef53717326ddd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:11:42 -0500 From: "Luke Bergen" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: fa fe fi se te... In-Reply-To: <495E3A20.2070000@perpetuum-immobile.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41554_20391858.1230912702824" References: <5715b9300901020747s28c0d177ib421215aac0afcae@mail.gmail.com> <495E3A20.2070000@perpetuum-immobile.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1137 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_41554_20391858.1230912702824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ok, so the se type words modify the selbri before the fa type words have any effect on the sumti. So "mi se tavla fi do lo cukta lo lojban" = "do tavla fi mi do lo cukta lo lojban" = "you are talked to by someone about me in language book ". xu mi drani - Luke Bergen On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Timo Paulssen < timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de> wrote: > Hi Luke, > > it isn't really a precedence that causes this behavior, but think of this > case > like that: > > The selbri of {mi tavla do le cukta} is {tavla}. > The selbri of {mi se tavla fi do le cukta} is {se tavla} > thus, the place structure used in the sentence is "x1 is talked to by x2 > about > x3 in language x4", so that the sentence means {i am talked to about you in > the > language the book} (note how after the fi, the next place is the fo place! > - it > might just be that you confused fi with fe, though u'i i'a) > > I hope every clarity has been crushed > mu'o mi'e timos > > ------=_Part_41554_20391858.1230912702824 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ok, so the se type words modify the selbri before the fa type words have any effect on the sumti.  So "mi se tavla fi do lo cukta lo lojban" = "do tavla fi mi do lo cukta lo lojban" = "you are talked to by someone about me in language book <no space left to deal with lo lojban so parse error>".  xu mi drani

- Luke Bergen


On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Timo Paulssen <timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de> wrote:
Hi Luke,

it isn't really a precedence that causes this behavior, but think of this case
like that:

The selbri of {mi tavla do le cukta} is {tavla}.
The selbri of {mi se tavla fi do le cukta} is {se tavla}
thus, the place structure used in the sentence is "x1 is talked to by x2 about
x3 in language x4", so that the sentence means {i am talked to about you in the
language the book} (note how after the fi, the next place is the fo place! - it
might just be that you confused fi with fe, though u'i i'a)

I hope every clarity has been crushed
 mu'o mi'e timos


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