From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jan 02 09:22:31 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 02 Jan 2009 09:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LInjD-0002Ey-DQ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 09:22:31 -0800 Received: from smtp.mail.umich.edu ([141.211.93.161] helo=tombraider.mr.itd.umich.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LInj8-0002E7-Ir for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 09:22:31 -0800 Received: FROM [192.168.0.10] (68-188-249-248.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com [68.188.249.248]) BY tombraider.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 495E4D13.EC5B6.22516 ; 2 Jan 2009 12:21:24 -0500 Message-Id: <25137285-ED42-4D4D-89F9-BF6A51BD6E4E@umich.edu> From: Alex Martini To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <5715b9300901020811l2f68cb0bka08ef53717326ddd@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: fa fe fi se te... Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:21:22 -0500 References: <5715b9300901020747s28c0d177ib421215aac0afcae@mail.gmail.com> <495E3A20.2070000@perpetuum-immobile.de> <5715b9300901020811l2f68cb0bka08ef53717326ddd@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1138 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: alexjm@umich.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Jan 2, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > ok, so the se type words modify the selbri before the fa type words > have any effect on the sumti. So "mi se tavla fi do lo cukta lo > lojban" = "do tavla fi mi do lo cukta lo lojban" = "you are talked > to by someone about me in language book lo lojban so parse error>". xu mi drani I think you want {la lojban} rather than {lo lojban}. You can say both {lo cukta} and {la cukta} because {cukta} is a bridi. They have different meanings, but both are grammatical. But {lojban} in a cmeve, so only {la lojban} is valid. The corresponding bridi is {lojbo}, meaning "lojbanic", or more specifically {jbobau} meaning "the lojbanic language". mu'o mi'e .aleks.