From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jan 05 08:20:14 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:20:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LJsBa-00030O-3O for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:20:14 -0800 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.157]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LJsBW-0002zi-Kc for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:20:13 -0800 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so2464369ywm.46 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:20:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=9qa/NtCDpIuZRjkvuvZYWwI5gHpF5OXVKjm2qMupK1A=; b=gGDwYsJauaNfaDtTCAWwnh7WiU5U6xpVSqDEHwTCk/QNAWZA+GchtFhYoij+Ox/UvA pgOWF7F4PoEw5tH6SM2bPOSluIYkE/n8KpXSFpNqHqogTORL/09i016dX4YP4nM0XW38 QlXxrVprY5glgqeNL6Rh431kOv4v70b1ZAyCY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=PWV1tjrt209yz/8q11r5FvRoX9ElERLN7C8Br4KIPXWIGAFAQ75BhLqNW2zaRXKvI5 7WnvDKygpQ3QkZFgF3TGA+8McNDWsUMbBrzZBYt7QJppobuvzS3AYmJBVXAhqhOdm9bs 2KRnblxCilAzvYnopfj7If4AsjXkBBOWq7YfI= Received: by 10.150.201.2 with SMTP id y2mr23109218ybf.15.1231172409221; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.78.9 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:20:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5715b9300901050820j481a51ebv609ccb526eb95341@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:20:09 -0500 From: "Luke Bergen" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] ke'a in lo nu binxo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_52088_12676561.1231172409226" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1153 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_52088_12676561.1231172409226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi. So as suggested in a thread from a couple days ago, I've started reading lo nu binxo (the metamorphosis by franz kafka). I came upon this passage and had a question: .... .i lo vrici bukpu mupli to lo nu litru vecnu cu jibri la .samsas. toi cu kuspe cpana lo jubme noi ga'u ke'a dandu fa lo pixra poi gy ke'a pu za katna vimcu lo karni gi'e punji lo melbi.... the part that has me confused is this. We have: noi ke'a poi ke'a So we have a poi inside of a noi, in this situation what exactly is the inner-most ke'a referring to? Is it possible to refer to the outermost "relativised it" from within a double nested relative clause? - Luke Bergen ------=_Part_52088_12676561.1231172409226 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi.  So as suggested in a thread from a couple days ago, I've started reading lo nu binxo (the metamorphosis by franz kafka).  I came upon this passage and had a question:

.... .i lo vrici bukpu mupli to lo nu litru vecnu cu jibri la .samsas. toi cu kuspe cpana lo jubme noi ga'u ke'a dandu fa lo pixra poi gy ke'a pu za katna vimcu lo karni gi'e punji lo melbi....

the part that has me confused is this.  We have:  <stuff 1> noi <stuff 2> ke'a <stuff 3> poi <stuff 4> ke'a <more stuff>

So we have a poi inside of a noi, in this situation what exactly is the inner-most ke'a referring to?  Is it possible to refer to the outermost "relativised it" from within a double nested relative clause?

- Luke Bergen
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